So What’s Wrong With Kyler Murray?

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Thats fair. I might be playing with fire with that. However, its more in regards to not losing one of those Olineman if we're balancing out who returns. Going to be an interesting offseason.

Keim definitely has his work cut out for him. There's a ton of key FA hitting the market. Kinda surprised we didn't try to get anyone signed to contract extensions during the season.
 
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So we have our two best OL, Hudson and Humphries, locked up through next year. That's great.

Pugh is also signed through 2022, but will be 32, and will have a pretty decent cap hit I believe. His base salary goes from 4 million this year to 8 million next year. He's solid, but I'm not sure if we want to retain him for that kind of money.

Beechum is signed up for 2022 also, but for a song compared to Pugh. A little less than 2 million in base salary. He will be 33 however. He's also solid, and has been pretty durable, but surely Father Time is starting to catch up with him, and so I guess the Cardinals will have to consider replacing him for next season. Maybe not.

RG is the real weak point. Justin Murray is signed through 2022 for only about 2 million, but can't stay healthy. Jones and Garcia try their hardest, but seem to be inconsistent. Harlow? Perhaps, but wouldn't he have won a starting job by now?

But the above information should demonstrate the Oline is soon going to need quite a bit of maintenance. We're going to need to invest both draft and FA capital into those positions if we're serious about building a dominant team.
I’d pass on Pugh at that price. There will be a nice selection of FA guards in 2022. Get someone younger. Pugh has been reasonably durable, but his recent injury coupled with quite a bit of tread ware makes me think it’s time to change.
 

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Ertz is a godsend, but he might be the tough choice we have to let go of. If Maxx gets back healthy (big IF) I think getting him on a cheaper deal is the better move.
For the blocking alone that Maxx provides, yes 100%. Plus, he is truly connected with the team even though he's been on IR (with his weekly social media posts etc.) shows he wants to be here
 

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fwiw, I take umbrage at the use of 'swoon' to describe the team's late season woes. Swoon is for damsels in distress, football should be like 'tribulations'... hahaha
 

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Keim definitely has his work cut out for him. There's a ton of key FA hitting the market. Kinda surprised we didn't try to get anyone signed to contract extensions during the season.
We have about $7M in cap space. I would have like to have seen moving that money around, but that is pretty nitpicky.
 

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I’d pass on Pugh at that price. There will be a nice selection of FA guards in 2022. Get someone younger. Pugh has been reasonably durable, but his recent injury coupled with quite a bit of tread ware makes me think it’s time to change.
We seemingly rarely agree these days... as far as making the hard choices go, Pugh seems to be the least hard to make.
 

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Pugh has been solid, plus he took a pay cut to stay with the team. I would bring him back.
Kinda seems like a crappy thing to do to ask him to take another... that's one of the reasons I do.
 

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Kinda seems like a crappy thing to do to ask him to take another... that's one of the reasons I do.
A lot of players do that with the alternative of being cut (pending guaranteed money left in contract) or are rewarded with more guaranteed money for taking a pay cut. I don’t know Pugh’s contract details but that’s very common for players who aren’t living up to the value of their contract.
 

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A lot of players do that with the alternative of being cut (pending guaranteed money left in contract) or are rewarded with more guaranteed money for taking a pay cut. I don’t know Pugh’s contract details but that’s very common for players who aren’t living up to the value of their contract.
Of course it is. We see it all the time. With that said, I get asking players to do it once. Twice though? Kinda bushleague.
 

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We have a LOT of free agents this year. We are going to have to make some real hard choices. Jones, Ertz, Green, Both our running backs, Kirk, etc.
PlayerPos.2021 Team2022 TeamTypeSnapsAgeCurrent APYGuarantees
Chandler JonesEDGECardinalsUFA65.0%32$16,500,000$31,000,000
Zach ErtzTECardinalsVoid72.0%32$8,500,000$13,318,527
A.J. GreenWRCardinalsVoid74.7%34$6,000,000$6,000,000
Dennis GardeckEDGECardinalsUFA15.6%28$3,384,000$0
Maxx WilliamsTECardinalsUFA20.2%28$2,333,333$750,000
Zeke TurnerLBCardinalsUFA0.5%26$2,133,000$0
James ConnerRBCardinalsUFA50.4%27$1,750,000$1,750,000
Andy LeePCardinalsUFA27.9%40$1,500,000$600,000
Christian KirkWRCardinalsUFA75.3%26$1,473,719$3,595,129
Colt McCoyQBCardinalsUFA19.1%36$1,212,500$137,500
Corey PetersIDLCardinalsUFA32.1%34$1,212,500$0
Darrell DanielsTECardinalsUFA21.0%28$1,127,500$562,500
Charles WashingtonSCardinalsUFA0.3%29$1,127,500$68,750
Max GarciaLGCardinalsUFA66.8%31$1,127,500$687,500
Chris BanjoSCardinalsUFA1.3%32$1,075,000$0
Jack CrawfordIDLCardinalsUFA0.0%34$1,075,000$0
Demetrius HarrisTECardinalsUFA19.2%31$1,075,000$0
Zach KerrIDLCardinalsUFA10.0%32$1,075,000$0
Aaron BrewerLSCardinalsUFA23.5%32$1,037,500$620,000
Antonio HamiltonCBCardinalsUFA25.3%29$990,000$0
Joe WalkerLBCardinalsUFA5.1%30$990,000$0
Robert AlfordCBCardinalsUFA51.6%34$990,000$0
Kylie FittsEDGECardinalsRFA2.1%28$920,000$0
Michael DogbeIDLCardinalsRFA22.9%26$850,000$0
Greg DortchWRCardinalsERFA2.0%24$780,000$0
Chase EdmondsRBCardinalsUFA43.3%26$728,089$452,356
Jonathan WardRBCardinalsERFA3.7%25$695,000$0
Antoine WesleyWRCardinalsERFA36.7%25$660,000$0
Javon HaganSCardinalsSFA0.0%25$165,600$0

I get it and agree. I just think those hard choices are everything outside of protecting Kyler Murray and having a decent running game.

The tough part about this list is that their are very few "no brainers". I would argue Zach Ertz, Colt McCoy and Antonio Hamilton are the only real no brainers and that is because Hamilton and McCoy shouldn't cost a ton more than they cost this year.

After that it all comes down to cost. Chandler Jones, James Conner, Christian Kirk, Chase Edmonds, Dennis Gardeck, and Maxx Williams are all cost dependent re-signs. If Conner takes 3 years 16 mil total, you sign him. If he wants more, let him test the market. Same with Edmonds. Gardeck, will he take 2 mil as a core special teamer? Will Kirk settle for 8 or does he want the 12 he will likely get on the open market? Will Chandler take 14 or try FA for 18+? How much is Maxx willing to take? The only negative is the lack of continuity if these guys want to chase the bag. The worst thing we can do is pay big money to average players in relation to the position they play.
 
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