Season Opener: Nuggets @ Suns Wednesday game thread 10-20-2021

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My bigger concern (at least for this season) than Ayton checking out and the need for a power forward, although both remain, is Booker checking out due to his perception that ownership/management, in not adding much during the offseason (and in particular in not filling the hole at power forward, not utilizing all of the salary cap exemptions and leaving a roster spot open) and in not extending Ayton, isn't committed to doing what it takes to win it all. Last night's performance did nothing to quell that concern. Time will tell how founded that concern is...
Booker is still rusty it's obvious, and understandable. Effort was good on defense, his shot just wasn't falling.

Not worried at all.
 

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I just cannot get into this season. I am old enough to know the disappointment of the past seasons following a championship run. I think there is about a 90% chance this season will not go as well as last year and be a disappointment. Good luck to all of you. My time here will be sparse this year.
Whatever. Suns will be 10-2 in a couple weeks and all this drama will be forgotten.
 

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I haven't mentioned toke hit in a while on suns forum maybe i jinxed opening night lol I'll do it vs la lakers

Ugh hard couple of gms to start season

Im sure suns rebound have a good season make poffs with paul and dbook wont let suns miss poffs!!
 

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I agree 1000 percent!

Denver overpaying MPJ should not mean the Suns should overpay Ayton. Ayton wasn't even lowballed on salary, he would be earning more than CP3 and Booker annually but since the Suns didn't want a 5th year that doesn't mean he's not valued.

No one who talks about that mentions how Denver didn't guarantee the final year of MPJ's deal, which means what he got is almost identical to what the Suns tried offering Ayton only without the sort of empty gesture of adding a non guaranteed year, which would handicap them in replacing CP3.
I think he was 6/7 from the floor shooting. Super efficient game for MPJ. I think it was EJ who marveled after the game, why didn't Denver get him the ball more?
 

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I think he was 6/7 from the floor shooting. Super efficient game for MPJ. I think it was EJ who marveled after the game, why didn't Denver get him the ball more?
Either Ayton's agent is really dumb or Ayton is letting his pride get in his way. He takes the 4 year deal he hits unrestricted free agency a year early and has a shot at more money quicker. Now even if he avoids a career ending injury and makes it through the season he has to hope there is a team out there that wants to stick it to PHX and offer a max contract and force Sarver to match. But if a team does that they better want Ayton because if PHX declines their left on the hook. PHX is still in driver's seat, they can match any offer low or max and Ayton goes nowhere. The only option for Ayton is to ball out at a max player level this season or he will lose money.

Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
 

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My bigger concern (at least for this season) than Ayton checking out and the need for a power forward, although both remain, is Booker checking out due to his perception that ownership/management, in not adding much during the offseason (and in particular in not filling the hole at power forward, not utilizing all of the salary cap exemptions and leaving a roster spot open) and in not extending Ayton, isn't committed to doing what it takes to win it all. Last night's performance did nothing to quell that concern. Time will tell how founded that concern is...
1Sun this is your worse take yet, and you have had some good ones. Ayton checks out all the time. Saying Booker will check out is laughable. Paul will never be a loser like you.
 

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The team that worries me that is projected to have max cap space is San Antonio. Ayton would fit there better than anywhere else and Coach Pop might turn him into a legit Hall of Famer. I'd hate to see that happen. I do recognize though it wouldn't necessarily be Ayton who turned the corner on his own but Popovich working his magic to get him to reach his full potential.

Ayton is also just as likely to force Pop into retirement though as he is to financially apply his talents on a nightly basis. Still, as a Spur? It would make me hate Ayton and Sarver for allowing it to come to that.
 

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The team that worries me that is projected to have max cap space is San Antonio. Ayton would fit there better than anywhere else and Coach Pop might turn him into a legit Hall of Famer. I'd hate to see that happen. I do recognize though it wouldn't necessarily be Ayton who turned the corner on his own but Popovich working his magic to get him to reach his full potential.

Ayton is also just as likely to force Pop into retirement though as he is to financially apply his talents on a nightly basis. Still, as a Spur? It would make me hate Ayton and Sarver for allowing it to come to that.

I think we’re all going to hate Sarver and Ayton by the time this whole thing is over.
 

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I think we’re all going to hate Sarver and Ayton by the time this whole thing is over.

Yeah, I wasn't either of their biggest fan to start with. In a way trading him might be the best way to handle it.

The Chicago/Orlando deal last year showed teams will make trades involving players at the same position as centerpieces. The Magic sent Vucevic to Chicago for Wendall Carter. Chicago added a win now Center and Orlando got a young Center with potential who fits their rebuild better. I wonder what Ayton might get for a team that could be more patient.
 

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Yeah, I wasn't either of their biggest fan to start with. In a way trading him might be the best way to handle it.

The Chicago/Orlando deal last year showed teams will make trades involving players at the same position as centerpieces. The Magic sent Vucevic to Chicago for Wendall Carter. Chicago added a win now Center and Orlando got a young Center with potential who fits their rebuild better. I wonder what Ayton might get for a team that could be more patient.
My hope is the Wolves continue to be a disaster and Book convinces KAT to put our name in the trade winds.

Our D might suffer but putting KAT on this team and we might be able to outscore our way to a title the same way Brooklyn would if they were ever healthy.
 

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My hope is the Wolves continue to be a disaster and Book convinces KAT to put our name in the trade winds.

Our D might suffer but putting KAT on this team and we might be able to outscore our way to a title the same way Brooklyn would if they were ever healthy.

KAT would be nice. He can play defense when motivated, although he isn't the defender Ayton is. He played average interior d when Thibs was in Minnesota. Thibs wasn't there long enough to impact KAT beyond his tenure as coach.
 

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Man... that’s the fastest jump ship I’ve ever seen from a fan who’s normally pretty upbeat about the Suns.

That said, I don’t begrudge it. Team has a bit of a cloud over its head with the Ayton decision (right or wrong) and I think in general, people are kind of exhausted about... well... everything in the world right now and I know you’ve had a year worse than most.

I hope the team turns it around and give you some rays of Sunshine. Lord knows all of us could it at this point.
Nah. This is the way I have felt since the finals. That's why I have hardly posted all summer. Just not nearly into it this year. Maybe if things pick up. This one game does not bother me much.
 

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KAT would be nice. He can play defense when motivated, although he isn't the defender Ayton is. He played average interior d when Thibs was in Minnesota. Thibs wasn't there long enough to impact KAT beyond his tenure as coach.
I would like to see if KAT has truly recovered from Covid. He said he lost 50 pounds when sick. Covid weight loss ia mostly muscle my dr said.

I prefer Ayton.
 

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The team that worries me that is projected to have max cap space is San Antonio. Ayton would fit there better than anywhere else and Coach Pop might turn him into a legit Hall of Famer. I'd hate to see that happen. I do recognize though it wouldn't necessarily be Ayton who turned the corner on his own but Popovich working his magic to get him to reach his full potential.

Ayton is also just as likely to force Pop into retirement though as he is to financially apply his talents on a nightly basis. Still, as a Spur? It would make me hate Ayton and Sarver for allowing it to come to that.
I think the second paragraph is most likely. If Ayton won’t do it for a nice coach like monty who has pitbulls at his side in Paul and Booker, I don’t see pop getting through to him.
 

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