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And I don't mean about the team being bad, because their "badness" is beyond belief. What I mean is assigning blame to a coach (or GM) and reaching a conclusion as to his fitness to do the coaching/GM job. All offseason, it seems all I've read is that Sam Bradford is a good QB, when healthy, but he's never healthy. So I bought into that assessment. Well Sam is healthy, but he's been terrible, and doesn't seem capable of throwing a pass more than 10 yards down field. Is he a pitcher who has lost his fastball? Or a victim of poor game planning? I have no idea, but feel that we'll soon find out, as the staff must realize that the offense must take more chances "down the field". The problem with football, as opposed to baseball and basketball is that there is only one game a week, and thus fans have more time to figure out what is wrong, and assign blame. I think our WR's are not good, and if Larry is out (probably) I don't see them improving, this week. But I'm hopeful. Our OL has protected SB to a point, but that is possibly due to the dink and dunk game plan. They have not been able to generate a running game. Our DL was bad in rush defense in game one, and we adjusted, and improved in that area, but flip flopped with our pass defense.

We have the G-Men (Golden, Gresham) who tease us that they might be soon on the field, but always seem to end up as inactives.

We have TWO #1 draft picks who don't seem to have a position.

Former high draft pick, B. Williams, who supposedly made the team because of his ST play. Through two games, don't remember much of a ST impact from him, but I might be wrong. And our loooooong standing need for CB #2 is till a need. I'll close with two points:

1. There is enough blame to go around.
2. Look at Tampa Bay. There is hope.
 

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Brandon Williams was a 3rd round pick. That's not a high draft pick and the reality of the situation is most 3rd round picks never make it in the NFL.
 

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We have had bad decisions by our GM including hiring an antiquated OC. It all falls at the feet of Keim. If he figured to be drafting qbotf why the hell would he hire a defensive minded coach...and be the last team to hire him. The big problem we face now is the bad decisions can’t be undone this year and it will take more than a year to do so.
 

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It is not a rush to judgement when you know something beforehand and then you see it happen again. That just confirms your initial judgement.

Wilks plan when taking this job was to run a conservative, ball control offense and keep games close with an overwhelming defense.

This plan can work, but in the modern NFL it has very little margin for error and the rules are generally set to make this almost impossible to do. So, despite this being the game plan that has got many coaches fired, Jeff Fisher, Jack Del Rio, and so forth, this is the plan from the guy the Cardinals decided to hire.

This is why Wilks hired Mike McCoy, a very conservative play caller, and signed of on Keim signed Sam Bradford, a very conservative QB.

The real question that most people had was how was the defense going to adjust to Wilks defense. The Carolina defense puts a lot of responsibility on the LBs, and their ability to read and react to plays. Most folks knew prior to the season that LB was an area of weakness for this team, but instead of cutting loose Deone Bucannon's 8 mil cap hit, and depending on Haason Reddick to do something he has shown he is unable to do, Wilks decided to go with these guys as he implemented our system. This seemed like it wouldn't work based upon film, but we were told that Wilks was a great teacher, and he could coach them up.

So, here we are. Our conservative offense is painfully conservative. Our conservative QB is painfully conservative. Our LBs are now street FA level players as the LBs that were to be counted showed to be exactly what they have been for their entire careers, bad read and react LBs. Our defense can't hold any opposing offense down, and so games get away from the Cardinals very quickly because the team was designed to play a very flawed style of football. Now, in week 3, our coach is stating that our offense needs to be more aggressive, that our QB needs to be more aggressive, and our LBs need to play better but that is not what was planned on prior to the season. That is not what the personnel he approved of hiring goes.

Our head coach is making the same mistakes in coaching that our GM has made in drafting. Going conservative and drafting for need usually fails. Coaching conservatively usually ends up failing. Drafting players and then asking them to do things they have never done in their careers normally fails. Likewise, adding players and then asking them to do things outside of their skill set normally ends in failure.

Paying Sam Bradford 10+mil to be a conservative, ball control QB is paying a player to do something he has shown he can do. However, two games into the season asking him to be more aggressive and thrown the ball down field is asking him to be someone he is not. That is the pinnacle of coaching failure, putting players in a position to fail.
 

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It is not a rush to judgement when you know something beforehand and then you see it happen again. That just confirms your initial judgement.

Wilks plan when taking this job was to run a conservative, ball control offense and keep games close with an overwhelming defense.

This plan can work, but in the modern NFL it has very little margin for error and the rules are generally set to make this almost impossible to do. So, despite this being the game plan that has got many coaches fired, Jeff Fisher, Jack Del Rio, and so forth, this is the plan from the guy the Cardinals decided to hire.

This is why Wilks hired Mike McCoy, a very conservative play caller, and signed of on Keim signed Sam Bradford, a very conservative QB.

The real question that most people had was how was the defense going to adjust to Wilks defense. The Carolina defense puts a lot of responsibility on the LBs, and their ability to read and react to plays. Most folks knew prior to the season that LB was an area of weakness for this team, but instead of cutting loose Deone Bucannon's 8 mil cap hit, and depending on Haason Reddick to do something he has shown he is unable to do, Wilks decided to go with these guys as he implemented our system. This seemed like it wouldn't work based upon film, but we were told that Wilks was a great teacher, and he could coach them up.

So, here we are. Our conservative offense is painfully conservative. Our conservative QB is painfully conservative. Our LBs are now street FA level players as the LBs that were to be counted showed to be exactly what they have been for their entire careers, bad read and react LBs. Our defense can't hold any opposing offense down, and so games get away from the Cardinals very quickly because the team was designed to play a very flawed style of football. Now, in week 3, our coach is stating that our offense needs to be more aggressive, that our QB needs to be more aggressive, and our LBs need to play better but that is not what was planned on prior to the season. That is not what the personnel he approved of hiring goes.

Our head coach is making the same mistakes in coaching that our GM has made in drafting. Going conservative and drafting for need usually fails. Coaching conservatively usually ends up failing. Drafting players and then asking them to do things they have never done in their careers normally fails. Likewise, adding players and then asking them to do things outside of their skill set normally ends in failure.

Paying Sam Bradford 10+mil to be a conservative, ball control QB is paying a player to do something he has shown he can do. However, two games into the season asking him to be more aggressive and thrown the ball down field is asking him to be someone he is not. That is the pinnacle of coaching failure, putting players in a position to fail.
Well said. Amen!
 

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It is not a rush to judgement when you know something beforehand and then you see it happen again. That just confirms your initial judgement.

Wilks plan when taking this job was to run a conservative, ball control offense and keep games close with an overwhelming defense.

This plan can work, but in the modern NFL it has very little margin for error and the rules are generally set to make this almost impossible to do. So, despite this being the game plan that has got many coaches fired, Jeff Fisher, Jack Del Rio, and so forth, this is the plan from the guy the Cardinals decided to hire.

This is why Wilks hired Mike McCoy, a very conservative play caller, and signed of on Keim signed Sam Bradford, a very conservative QB.

The real question that most people had was how was the defense going to adjust to Wilks defense. The Carolina defense puts a lot of responsibility on the LBs, and their ability to read and react to plays. Most folks knew prior to the season that LB was an area of weakness for this team, but instead of cutting loose Deone Bucannon's 8 mil cap hit, and depending on Haason Reddick to do something he has shown he is unable to do, Wilks decided to go with these guys as he implemented our system. This seemed like it wouldn't work based upon film, but we were told that Wilks was a great teacher, and he could coach them up.

So, here we are. Our conservative offense is painfully conservative. Our conservative QB is painfully conservative. Our LBs are now street FA level players as the LBs that were to be counted showed to be exactly what they have been for their entire careers, bad read and react LBs. Our defense can't hold any opposing offense down, and so games get away from the Cardinals very quickly because the team was designed to play a very flawed style of football. Now, in week 3, our coach is stating that our offense needs to be more aggressive, that our QB needs to be more aggressive, and our LBs need to play better but that is not what was planned on prior to the season. That is not what the personnel he approved of hiring goes.

Our head coach is making the same mistakes in coaching that our GM has made in drafting. Going conservative and drafting for need usually fails. Coaching conservatively usually ends up failing. Drafting players and then asking them to do things they have never done in their careers normally fails. Likewise, adding players and then asking them to do things outside of their skill set normally ends in failure.

Paying Sam Bradford 10+mil to be a conservative, ball control QB is paying a player to do something he has shown he can do. However, two games into the season asking him to be more aggressive and thrown the ball down field is asking him to be someone he is not. That is the pinnacle of coaching failure, putting players in a position to fail.

Beautiful perspective.

In essence, Keim and Bidwill have executed their plan very well. It was just a poor plan since inception.
 

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It is not a rush to judgement when you know something beforehand and then you see it happen again. That just confirms your initial judgement.

Wilks plan when taking this job was to run a conservative, ball control offense and keep games close with an overwhelming defense.

This plan can work, but in the modern NFL it has very little margin for error and the rules are generally set to make this almost impossible to do. So, despite this being the game plan that has got many coaches fired, Jeff Fisher, Jack Del Rio, and so forth, this is the plan from the guy the Cardinals decided to hire.

This is why Wilks hired Mike McCoy, a very conservative play caller, and signed of on Keim signed Sam Bradford, a very conservative QB.

The real question that most people had was how was the defense going to adjust to Wilks defense. The Carolina defense puts a lot of responsibility on the LBs, and their ability to read and react to plays. Most folks knew prior to the season that LB was an area of weakness for this team, but instead of cutting loose Deone Bucannon's 8 mil cap hit, and depending on Haason Reddick to do something he has shown he is unable to do, Wilks decided to go with these guys as he implemented our system. This seemed like it wouldn't work based upon film, but we were told that Wilks was a great teacher, and he could coach them up.

So, here we are. Our conservative offense is painfully conservative. Our conservative QB is painfully conservative. Our LBs are now street FA level players as the LBs that were to be counted showed to be exactly what they have been for their entire careers, bad read and react LBs. Our defense can't hold any opposing offense down, and so games get away from the Cardinals very quickly because the team was designed to play a very flawed style of football. Now, in week 3, our coach is stating that our offense needs to be more aggressive, that our QB needs to be more aggressive, and our LBs need to play better but that is not what was planned on prior to the season. That is not what the personnel he approved of hiring goes.

Our head coach is making the same mistakes in coaching that our GM has made in drafting. Going conservative and drafting for need usually fails. Coaching conservatively usually ends up failing. Drafting players and then asking them to do things they have never done in their careers normally fails. Likewise, adding players and then asking them to do things outside of their skill set normally ends in failure.

Paying Sam Bradford 10+mil to be a conservative, ball control QB is paying a player to do something he has shown he can do. However, two games into the season asking him to be more aggressive and thrown the ball down field is asking him to be someone he is not. That is the pinnacle of coaching failure, putting players in a position to fail.
Excellent synopsis.
 

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We all wanted John DeFilippo, nobody wanted Bradford, this all falls on Keim and Wilks they both can go and take Bradford and this incompetent staff with them
 

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It is not a rush to judgement when you know something beforehand and then you see it happen again. That just confirms your initial judgement.

Wilks plan when taking this job was to run a conservative, ball control offense and keep games close with an overwhelming defense.

This plan can work, but in the modern NFL it has very little margin for error and the rules are generally set to make this almost impossible to do. So, despite this being the game plan that has got many coaches fired, Jeff Fisher, Jack Del Rio, and so forth, this is the plan from the guy the Cardinals decided to hire.

This is why Wilks hired Mike McCoy, a very conservative play caller, and signed of on Keim signed Sam Bradford, a very conservative QB.

The real question that most people had was how was the defense going to adjust to Wilks defense. The Carolina defense puts a lot of responsibility on the LBs, and their ability to read and react to plays. Most folks knew prior to the season that LB was an area of weakness for this team, but instead of cutting loose Deone Bucannon's 8 mil cap hit, and depending on Haason Reddick to do something he has shown he is unable to do, Wilks decided to go with these guys as he implemented our system. This seemed like it wouldn't work based upon film, but we were told that Wilks was a great teacher, and he could coach them up.

So, here we are. Our conservative offense is painfully conservative. Our conservative QB is painfully conservative. Our LBs are now street FA level players as the LBs that were to be counted showed to be exactly what they have been for their entire careers, bad read and react LBs. Our defense can't hold any opposing offense down, and so games get away from the Cardinals very quickly because the team was designed to play a very flawed style of football. Now, in week 3, our coach is stating that our offense needs to be more aggressive, that our QB needs to be more aggressive, and our LBs need to play better but that is not what was planned on prior to the season. That is not what the personnel he approved of hiring goes.

Our head coach is making the same mistakes in coaching that our GM has made in drafting. Going conservative and drafting for need usually fails. Coaching conservatively usually ends up failing. Drafting players and then asking them to do things they have never done in their careers normally fails. Likewise, adding players and then asking them to do things outside of their skill set normally ends in failure.

Paying Sam Bradford 10+mil to be a conservative, ball control QB is paying a player to do something he has shown he can do. However, two games into the season asking him to be more aggressive and thrown the ball down field is asking him to be someone he is not. That is the pinnacle of coaching failure, putting players in a position to fail.


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Good stuff but what is the solution? We still have 14 games left. You can fire everybody at the end of the season but what can we do to tun this around???
Identifying a problem is easy fixing it is hard. Keim, Wilks, the coaches and players are making good money, more than any of us. They need to get this going in a winning direction.
 
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Good stuff but what is the solution? We still have 14 games left. You can fire everybody at the end of the season but what can we do to tun this around???
Identifying a problem is easy fixing it is hard. Keim, Wilks, the coaches and players are making good money, more than any of us. They need to get this going in a winning direction.
There isn't a solution. You aren't finding difference making players in week 3 of an NFL season. You can't scrap your scheme because you have spent all the time and effort teaching it for an entire offseason. You can ask your players to do things they are not able to do, but that ends in failure as well.

You have to try and find things that work and stick to those. It won't be successful, but it can make you more competitive.

My honest #JoeFan solution is this.

You stick with Bradford until your bye week if possible. At that point you are going to have a bad record, you will have two weeks to install a game plan that Rosen likes, and the team will be ready for something different.

You run David Johnson into the ground. You give him 90% of offensive snaps, you use him in a variety of positions in the formation, and have him run every route under the sun. You give him 350 touches.

Pass out of jumbo, run out of spread formations. Anything to create offensive mismatches.

Stick with the 4-2-5 personnel that you are comfortable with. It sucks because it asks a ton out of Budda Baker and asks him to do things I don't know that he can do, but oh well.

Trade Deone Bucannon. It doesn't matter for what, 6th, 7th or conditional pick. Get rid of him as a good faith gesture. It will allow him to try and drive up his free agency value, and show players that you can admit your mistakes and will do right by them if it doesn't hurt the team.

Find a way to get something out of Haason Reddick. Find something that he does well in practice and have him do that in a game. Try to drive up his trade value in the offseason.

That is it. That is the plan. If you did this, you might be able to scrounge up 3 or 4 wins against teams that aren't great running the ball or have an off week. You will still get smashed by competent teams, but that is as good as it gets.
 

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az_jam, the only solutions that are viable:

fire McCoy, get a Coach from College or elsewhere that is a gimmick offense guy
tell wilkes, that he has to go back to 3-4 and if he doesn't want to, fire him and get a interim Coach and a D-Coordinator that goes to 3-4

And than hope that this changes get you at least to a level to compete with other teams
 

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Brandon Williams was a 3rd round pick. That's not a high draft pick and the reality of the situation is most 3rd round picks never make it in the NFL.
Compared to our 1st rounders..... We have crushed the 3rd round!
 

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