They aren't picking starters now based on future potential dude.
Roster Questions Heading into Week 1 Preseason
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They aren't picking starters now based on future potential dude.
I will play!
Clark - Terrible CB, but played in 29 games over two year with over 500 defensive snaps and 200 ST snaps. Not bad for a 6th round pick. The average 6th round plays 1.9 seasons, so Clark is right there with averages. Average pick.
Tune - Back up QB, played in 13 career games with one start as a 5th round pick. Never developed like 95% of QBs drafts. If cut, he will land below the average of 2.4 season from a 5th round pick. Poor pick, but most late QB picks are.
Pappoe - Limited defensive player who played in 32 games, with 2 starts, primary as a STs player. Will fall a half season short of the average span of a 5th round players. Below average pick due to him being primary a ST players with no LB upside.
Gaines - He appears to be a lock now to make the roster with injuries and his showing last week. Red shirted his rookie season, played 13 games last year and it slated to start his 3rd season on the active roster. TBD still on this pick
I would venture to guess that this looks like most NFL day three picks form 2023.
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kerouac9
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Except two of his 2024 class didn’t even make the roster plays Elijah Jones might already be on the bubble.
Don’t stop believin tho!
Yeah but most NFL draft picks don’t start on a 4-13 team. Monti needs to be better than average to lead this team anywhere and have the fabled “sustained success.”
You mean like the Super Bowl champs who have 5 of their 7 from 2023 picks on the bubble?
Or in 2022 when only 1 one of their day 3 picks is still there.
Then in 2021 where 1 of their 6 day 3 picks is still there?
2020, with 1 of 7 still day 3 picks there.
Last year isn't looking great either, but Howie is considered a great GM with 3 Super Bowls in 8 years and two wins. Monti seems to be as good as Howie from your criteria with the draft, so I'll take it.
Monti has made 28 picks, which is just over half a roster. He's going to churn players. It's how the NFL works, but you know this. I want a GM to always look to upgrade, not sit on his hands because he drafted the player in the 6th round. That is silly with the success rate is day 3 picks in the NFL. Some of you, though, will complain no matter what he does.
I swear, we could win the Super Bowl and some would be all, "great, we're the Cardinals, so we'll never win another. Thanks Monti for taking all future hope away!"
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Ouchie-Z-Clown
I'm better than Mulli!
Room for improvement!
Ouchie-Z-Clown
I'm better than Mulli!
You wanna talk “silly?”
kerouac9
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Yes you’re right our roster is in the same shape as the defending Super Bowl champs good work nicely argued
He ain't "exactly " wrong though
kerouac9
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BACH
Superbowl, Homeboy!
So… does he need to better than average?
Or perfect since you are blaming him for a 6th and 7th not making the team and not drafting starters instead?
Expecting a GM to consistently draft starters at #191 tells a lot
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Those kind of statements always make me chuckle… especially in the defense of Cardinals brass who haven’t even proven they can put a winning team on the field, much less a Super Bowl. It’s the absolute height of gaslighting and the kind of crap posters would sling at anyone who dared criticize our cheating, inept and apparently perpetually drunk GM who continually crapped the bed in spectacular fashion once Arians stopped carrying the team.
kerouac9
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They’re not even depth! Clark played 464 defensive snaps as a rookie and 94 his second year. The team drafted three cornerbacks in the first three rounds to get him off the field.
Jon Gaines has played 22 offensive snaps as a professional. It’s the magical third year for him—shouldn’t he be pushing for a bigger role, not finding his way off the roster?
Clayton Tune has showed such promise as a long term backup they paid Jacoby Brissett this offseason.
Hard to build that mythical sustainable success on the backs of free agents because you can’t get quality depth from your mid- and late-round picks.
Agree on most of those.
But backup lol is in fact a position of value and Jon Gaines seems to have earned said position.
Backups cannot really control how many snaps they get.
kerouac9
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Has he tho?
as of today. yes.
come Tuesday. Maybe not.
BACH
Superbowl, Homeboy!
You called him out for not adding starters. If you truly believe any GM consistently can pick starters at pick #191 and lower then it explains a lot of your posts.
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Ouchie-Z-Clown
I'm better than Mulli!
Yeah no. Just remember the superbowl season. Everyone here was pretty damn joyous. We don’t need to make things hypothetically darker than they are. What good does that do for the board?
kerouac9
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PDXChris was talking starters/playing time on bad teams. I only need these guys to stick on the roster and be above-average depth.
Check out our OurLads depth chart. Seven of 12 offensive starters (and three of our four blue-chip players—counting 3WR/2TE as starters) are either free agent acquisitions or Keim players.
On defense eight of our 12 starters are free agents or Keim players.
That last part was a gross exaggeration based of the extremes on this board at time, which goes both ways. But I bet $5, one poster would complain. Now, lets get there so we can see who is right? Deal? If you want to make that as an actual bet, I will even give you one name.
I stand by the rest of my post. Day 3 picks are crap shoots and the numbers of this do not lie.
BACH
Superbowl, Homeboy!
I do not care what PDXChris said or the depth chart in this discussion.
I’m responding to your post, where you are condescending to another poster and using the reason that the #191 and #226 pick didn’t make a 8-9 team.
And then continue by disregarding starting experience by a player drafted #180 because it was for a bad team.
I mean, how high a bar are you setting for a GM here?
There was hyperbole in the post.
But the spirit rings true.
kerouac9
Klowned by Keim
You understand this only matters if that starting experience builds towards something, right?
Clark’s starting experience contributed to the Cards drafting three corners in the first five rounds over subsequent drafts and them signing SMB as a free agent.
Lots of very bad players start on bad teams. Thats one of the reasons they’re bad. The argument many here make is that being bad allows young players to develop.
Clark only plays 25% of the special teams snaps. A number that hasn’t moved since his rookie season either.
BACH
Superbowl, Homeboy!
Since you never answered what I asked in last three posts, what I take away from this rant is that you do expect starters from draft picks drafted #180, #191 and #226.
That explains a lot.
gimpy
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I thought I read somewhere (don't remember where) yesterday that there were only 3 players from Keim's time that were still on the team. Can't remember if it was on here, another site or an article . I know I read it, I think just can't relent where. SMH
