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What is interesting about the tweet from Flex From Jersey when he talks about "League rules causing delays" could there be another player included in the trade that is not yet eligible to be traded?

Again, in this proposed trade the Suns would have two players going out and only one player returning. The Suns must carry 14 players when the season starts although they can temporarily drop to 13 players for two weeks.
 

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How many min was poor Cam out their without Ayton? Suns have two centers now I don't consider that small ball.
If you are playing small at any position it's small ball. Sure, you can try and compensate by putting a legit backup big at Center. However, the Suns got into a ton of trouble in the paint when either Ayton was forced to the bench with foul trouble or Crowder. When Ayton went to the bench we moved Crowder over. When Crowder would leave again we went small at the PF. If both were out it typically was a disaster. Cam is not and never will be a PF. It's not on Cam really. The coaches wanted to give him more minutes to spark the offense but they put him at a disadvantage against bigger teams when playing him out of position. Go back and check the threads during the last couple series. Practically everyone was screaming to get another big in there off the bench. Everyone could see what was happening.
 

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What is interesting about the tweet from Flex From Jersey when he talks about "League rules causing delays" could there be another player included in the trade that is not yet eligible to be traded?

Again, in this proposed trade the Suns would have two players going out and only one player returning. The Suns must carry 14 players when the season starts although they can temporarily drop to 13 players for two weeks.

That is the only league rule I could think of, that SA wants to dump someone with Thad and are waiting because they can't include Thad in a trade with another outgoing player right now. I think they need to wait 60 days to be able to make a trade with another player going out in a package with Thad. I guess we'll see but I've largely given up on that deal happening.
 

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That is the only league rule I could think of, that SA wants to dump someone with Thad and are waiting because they can't include Thad in a trade with another outgoing player right now. I think they need to wait 60 days to be able to make a trade with another player going out in a package with Thad. I guess we'll see but I've largely given up on that deal happening.
Young himself is in the 60 days. He was acquired Aug 11. I just read the rule and once you include a pick (package) you must wait 60 days. That's a reasonable guess. He wouldn't be available until early October.
 
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That is the only league rule I could think of, that SA wants to dump someone with Thad and are waiting because they can't include Thad in a trade with another outgoing player right now. I think they need to wait 60 days to be able to make a trade with another player going out in a package with Thad. I guess we'll see but I've largely given up on that deal happening.

I'm not sold the rumored trade is going to happen either. One of the questions I keep asking, could the Suns have acquired Chandler Hutchison to convert to a regular roster spot later on. Could it be a larger trade (more than two teams) with another Suns player going out like Abdel Nader? He could be an enticement for the Spurs to make the trade.
 

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I'm not sold the rumored trade is going to happen either. One of the questions I keep asking, could the Suns have acquired Chandler Hutchison to convert to a regular roster spot later on. Could it be a larger trade (more than two teams) with another Suns player going out like Abdel Nader? He could be an enticement for the Spurs to make the trade.

Nader can't be traded for a while, I believe not until December 15. You can't resign your own free agents and trade them later in the offseason. It would need to be one of our core guys, if another player is involved.
 

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Nader can't be traded for a while, I believe not until December 15. You can't resign your own free agents and trade them later in the offseason. It would need to be one of our core guys, if another player is involved.

That's where the rules would come into play not making the trade possible now.
 

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Nader can't be traded for a while, I believe not until December 15. You can't resign your own free agents and trade them later in the offseason. It would need to be one of our core guys, if another player is involved.
Teams do sign and trades all the time. Is there are a moratorium after they have been re-signed? I don't recall one but I have not read the rule in a long time.
 

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Teams do sign and trades all the time. Is there are a moratorium after they have been re-signed? I don't recall one but I have not read the rule in a long time.

Yeah you can do a sign and trade but they have to wait until December 15 to trade them elsewhere. Sign and trades are viewed as one sort of transaction but resigning a FA is viewed as keeping them so that's why there is the waiting period.
 

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Yeah you can do a sign and trade but they have to wait until December 15 to trade them elsewhere. Sign and trades are viewed as one sort of transaction but resigning a FA is viewed as keeping them so that's why there is the waiting period.
That's right it's 3 months or Dec 15 (whichever comes first). So, it could be that or the wait for Young to become available. Those are plausible explanations I guess.
 

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Understanding these trade rules are quite the challenge. I'm as confused as anyone.

However, since none of Smith, Saric and Young were free agents I think they can be traded after 60 days.
 

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Understanding these trade rules are quite the challenge. I'm as confused as anyone.

However, since none of Smith, Saric and Young were free agents I think they can be traded after 60 days.
That's what I read as well. Young can't be traded until 60 days after his previous trade if he is included in a package. Straight up there is no restriction.
 

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I do? That seems like a bunch of hyperbole on your part. I know most rumors are just that. However, I have also seen and heard enough interviews with GM's to know where their is smoke there is always fire. The front office makes calls daily. They don't do it for their health. Also, it's not like the rumors were for every position. They were for position of need. I don't pay much attention to the vloggers and such. I typically pay attention to NBA insiders who have a good track record.

Also, the idea that they won't part with anybody therefore they are fine isn't accurate at all. It could be but trading is a two way street with both sides trying to get the best of each other. Some asking prices are just too high. Some areas you don't feel like you have enough depth to trade. Sometimes you can't find a way to make salaries work. Sometimes the player is asking too much in FA. There is a host of reason why a move never happens and it has nothing to do with you feeling like your fine at that position.

Also, I posted Cams plus or minus in the finals. So, yes it's a fact. Also, if you had eyes you could see us get worked by the size in the playoffs in the paint when we went small. You must have missed it. He finished with a net -56 in the finals and +2 against the Clippers thanks to one great game. He had a negative net 3 of the 5 games he played in that series too. My point being is that small ball doesn't translate the same come playoff time. That's why his plus/minus from the regular season wasn't the same in the playoffs especially as we got deeper into it. You have me mistaken for a certain poster on ignore.
How did you make me quote that? I didn’t say it.
 

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