right now...you have to release one and start the other opening day...who?!

WHO DO YOU RELEASE!?

  • skelton

    Votes: 19 37.3%
  • kolb

    Votes: 32 62.7%

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had this discussion with someone at work. i have much more confidence in skelton, i'd like to give him a shot to be our future. my coworker was the same way about kolb


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edit: thanks for serious answers. obviously this is hypothetically speaking.
 
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We don't have to release one, we won't release one, might as well have a poll on which one looks better costco Tee-shirts. :p We'll see what happens by the end of the year.
 

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They are not going to release either. I like Kolb right now because he will have his first full training camp with the team. Skelton needs to work on his completion percentage.
 

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Fallacious argument, can't partake. It's like asking would you rather eat dog-food or cat-food.
 

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I'll play along. If you had to release one and keep one, it's simple, keep the one that has the best chance of avoiding an extended stay in the hospital. Keep the one that doesn't have a history of concussions. Upright and aware beats prone and dazed.

Steve
 

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I'll play along. If you had to release one and keep one, it's simple, keep the one that has the best chance of avoiding an extended stay in the hospital. Keep the one that doesn't have a history of concussions. Upright and aware beats prone and dazed.

Steve

+1
 

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I wouldn't say it's entirely fallacious. Of course money is a big factor, of course we made the decision to pay the bonus, but that doesn't (and shouldn't) mean that he's a lock on our roster.

Money usually (wrongly) forces people into unoptimal decisions, and unfortunately this sort of surreality is the times we live in. But that doesn't mean it is a lock.

One could argue that we also drafted a strong armed QB. A laser armed QB. We did so AFTER paying Kolb his bonus, which one might guess may mean the staff isn't putting all their eggs in the three other baskets we have.

Finally it IS something THIS staff has done before. We thought highly of Skelton (the rookie) and didn't want to risk him on waivers to PS. So we didn't. Maybe we could of cut another QB, but what we DID was cut Leinart.

So I'm not going to sit here and say Kolb is a lock for the final 53. I see him as making it, but I won't say he is a lock. Maybe by injury, maybe by threat of injury, maybe by ineffectiveness in the preseason, maybe by what they see in Lindley, Skelton, Bartel or some combination of all of that.

Thus as astutely pointed out, if for any other reason, I'd rather have the guy standing up as well.

We can definitely say that money DIDN'T COST us Kevin Kolb since we paid the bonus, but we're still a few months away from seeing whether or not the COST KEEPS Kolb on the roster. I hope they do the best thing for the team whatever it is. I have an idea, but it's a process that they're going to play out and cross that bridge when they come to it.

Personally I'd rather have Skelton getting all the 1st team reps to prepare him best for what I see as the inevitable.
 
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We havent really seen enough of either of them, the deciding factor for me was Kolbs pay, terrible pocket presense, and cuncussions. Those arent things that change very easily...
 

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Neither QB is going to win you any playoff games -- with that said -- Skelton puts the Cards in a better position to win some games. Kolb gives you a good chance to pick in the top 10 every year, so I suppose you could pick him if the option was to draft a QB high in the 1st round :)
 

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How is this even a question?


1. Proven winner who stays in the pocket and stays healthy who makes $Golden Grahams.00 per year.

2. Sonic the Hedge hog whos a concussion away from the grave and is making **** -you money.
 
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I'll play along. If you had to release one and keep one, it's simple, keep the one that has the best chance of avoiding an extended stay in the hospital. Keep the one that doesn't have a history of concussions. Upright and aware beats prone and dazed.

Steve

+2
 
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How is this even a question?


1. Proven winner who stays in the pocket and stays healthy who makes $Golden Grahams.00 per year.

2. Sonic the Hedge hog whos a concussion away from the grave and is making **** -you money.



votes are pretty equal...that's how it is a question


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Since we DON'T have to release one, I refuse to participate. Kolb has already been paid $7-million and Skelton is cheap to keep. It's assinine to even consider releasing either at this point IMO.
 

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Since we DON'T have to release one, I refuse to participate. Kolb has already been paid $7-million and Skelton is cheap to keep. It's assinine to even consider releasing either at this point IMO.

Like in 2010 when the Cardinals suddenly released Matt Leinart? They didn't have to but they did it anyway.
 

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I don't accept the premise of the poll.

Having to release either guy is a false choice that no one will probably have to make.

Having to make the decision before seeing how they perform over the next three months is unecessary and, therefore, irrelevent.

Bottom line - I don't know which guy will be better. I have no rooting interest for one over the other. The winner should be the QB who can best help us win, and I hope whomever he turns out to be will be good enough to get us where we want to go.
 

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I don't accept the premise of the poll.

Having to release either guy is a false choice that no one will probably have to make.

Having to make the decision before seeing how they perform over the next three months is unecessary and, therefore, irrelevent.

Bottom line - I don't know which guy will be better. I have no rooting interest for one over the other. The winner should be the QB who can best help us win, and I hope whomever he turns out to be will be good enough to get us where we want to go.

I don't see that it's any different than talking about what you would do if you won PowerBall. Better odds that one of our QBs will get released before the season starts than that happening. But people still enjoy discussing it. And there is nothing that football fans like discussing more than a QB controversy.
 

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I answered backwards than intended. I assumed the question was which do you start. I'm not used to answering the negative.

In either case, there is no reason to release the other, period.
 

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I answered backwards than intended. I assumed the question was which do you start. I'm not used to answering the negative.

In either case, there is no reason to release the other, period.

Again. I know that if on Memorial Day 2010 someone had put up a poll "if you have to release one who would it be and listed Matt Leinart and Dereck Anderson many of you would have written the same things you are now.

How about a poll that asked who do you keep: Max Hall or Matt Leinart?

I mean who had any inkling in May 2010 that Matt Leinart would just be released outright that September?
 

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I answered backwards than intended. I assumed the question was which do you start. I'm not used to answering the negative.

In either case, there is no reason to release the other, period.

You're not the only one. I clearly intended to vote Kolb off the island but I'm pretty sure I accidentally selected Skelton. Based on the numbers, I suspect we're not the only ones that answered the second half of the question (who do you start). It's our fault for not reading the poll question but it happens often when you ask a different question in the title.

Steve
 

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Again. I know that if on Memorial Day 2010 someone had put up a poll "if you have to release one who would it be and listed Matt Leinart and Dereck Anderson many of you would have written the same things you are now... I mean who had any inkling in May 2010 that Matt Leinart would just be released outright that September?

A poll in May 2010 about releasing Leinart or Anderson in September would have been as irrelevant as this one is now. In either case, why would you want to see a guy released or even think about a guy being released 4+ months before the event would even occur and before a meaningful snap was taken in the offseason? As we move through the offseason and preseason it may turn out that one guy wins and one guy gets released, but that's why they are competing in the offseason and preseason. So, I don't quite understand the whole "if you had to pick right now" aspect of the poll. It would be more relevant to discuss if you'd want the loser of the QB competition (whoever it is) to be the backup or just outright released vs. risking a divided locker room, but I think it's even premature for that conversation.

So what's next, a "if one QB had to be in a serious car accident before September, who do you hope gets smashed?" poll or a "if one QB had to be abudcted by alients, who do you hope gets the anal probe?" poll? All this boils down to is a simple "As of today, who do you hope wins the starting QB job?" question - which would have been a much more straight forward way of presenting it.
 

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A poll in May 2010 about releasing Leinart or Anderson in September would have been as irrelevant as this one is now. In either case, why would you want to see a guy released or even think about a guy being released 4+ months before the event would even occur and before a meaningful snap was taken in the offseason? As we move through the offseason and preseason it may turn out that one guy wins and one guy gets released, but that's why they are competing in the offseason and preseason. So, I don't quite understand the whole "if you had to pick right now" aspect of the poll. It would be more relevant to discuss if you'd want the loser of the QB competition (whoever it is) to be the backup or just outright released vs. risking a divided locker room, but I think it's even premature for that conversation.

So what's next, a "if one QB had to be in a serious car accident before September, who do you hope gets smashed?" poll or a "if one QB had to be abudcted by alients, who do you hope gets the anal probe?" poll? All this boils down to is a simple "As of today, who do you hope wins the starting QB job?" question - which would have been a much more straight forward way of presenting it.

The poll is only irrelevant because you think it won't happen. As with the Leinart situation it did happen even though in May of 2010 many would have said it would never happen. Why do we talk about our upcoming games this year? They won't happen for months. Yet we still like to make predictions about how we will do.

I just don't go along with the "we'll know what happens when it happens so no use in talking about it" crowd.

But you are right it is basically the same as a who do like right now as QB poll.

Now go vote in the Costco TShirt Poll.
 

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better question is if this hypothetical situation played out, how long until it's Lindley/Skelton? We don't have a Pro-Bowl QB on the roster, there will always be the prediction of us having a Tom Brady on the bench just waiting for his shot. Until he gets it
 

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better question is if this hypothetical situation played out, how long until it's Lindley/Skelton? We don't have a Pro-Bowl QB on the roster, there will always be the prediction of us having a Tom Brady on the bench just waiting for his shot. Until he gets it

I dont think anyone is predicting the next Tom Brady is on our bench. But when the team has crap at the position it makes sense to explore other options. And it makes sense to explore what you do have on the bench before you go out and do some desperation trade for a different team's bench trash.
 

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