Possible Dem Candidates for Pres in 2020

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  1. Ouchie-Z-Clown

    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    Ah guilt by association (And frankly I don’t think I’ve personally ever seen a direct nexus between Biden and Clinton). So you’re generalizing. Why am I not surprised?
     
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    Once a week...for four years. Not chummy at all.
     
  3. Ouchie-Z-Clown

    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    So association. I post in here daily with you. God forbid someone held me accountable for the dangerous things you spout.
     
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    the shame of this is it's actually a missed opportunity for Biden to say something more about race in this country. This could be his Reverend Wright moment. The time to say that the issue of race is SUCH A HUGE PROBLEM in this country, that even those who believe they're part of the solution are STILL contributing to the problem as well. That we (meaning non-minorities) need to look at ourselves HARD in the mirror and ask ourselves WHY do I STILL think it's okay to make a comment like that? To really take on what this country was built on.

    Biden can OWN this moment as his own flaw that's indicative of a bigger one in the country that desperately needs to be dealt with. A fatal flaw that let's a man like Donald Trump rise to power in the first place. As the party bearer, he needs to champion the idea that it's NEVER too late for an old dog to learn new tricks and that as a society, we never stop learning about who we are and how to better ourselves. Because that's the ONLY way can move into the future, with eyes open. Otherwise, we'll just be stuck in the past, just like Trump wants us to be.

    It's incumbent on looking within OURSELVES to correct our own problems. Because until we do... we're giving cover for the anti-semites and even bigger racists of the world to point fingers and engage us in a pissing match in which none of the disenfrachised or masses of minorities win... which is EXACTLY what they really want.
     
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    Did I say they were close buddies? No. I have an opinion that they 'might' be close. Your opinion is that they don't...and you think your opinion is correct apparently. The reality is that you don't know anymore than I do. I'm just giving possibilities..not absolutes. But..my opinion, two people who meet weekly for years have a relationship.
     
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    I don't mean to sideline the topic, but your comment caught my attention, Ouchie. I was curious about the story of your personal experience of meeting HRC. Have you recounted that on here before? Or can you sum it up again? Just interested to hear how your personal anecdote aligns with my impression of her.
     
  7. Ouchie-Z-Clown

    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    I never said they don’t. Don’t slide into a lame angle of putting words in my mouth. I said I didn’t know of any connection.

    all that said, it’s still you trying to create guilt by association and it’s a terrible tact. We don’t know if he agreed with it, thought it was a politically terrible move, chastised her for it, or didn’t think twice about it. But your attempted use of it was a lame attempt to cast shade where none know if shade exists. Poor form.
     
  8. Ouchie-Z-Clown

    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    I believe when I was younger I may have detailed it on the board. As someone older with a bit more savvy I now generally try to refrain from providing much information from either a business or past perspective that could be used in an identifiable manner. That said, during a summer in my academic years in DC I worked for an organization over which that loosely had oversight. Our tasks were sometimes dirty (literally and figuratively- though never illegal), and she treated the people supporting her very poorly. I’ll leave it at that. I don’t believe her to be a truly humble and good person at her core.
     
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    Got it... I agree about not dropping too much personal info. But what you indicate doesn't entirely surprise me. I think the general egotism and lack of authenticity she projects is probably what killed her campaign. More people see through that then a lot of politicians seem to realize inside their ivory towers.

    On the other hand, you have that portion of voters (like the MAGAs) who view such personality traits as a virtue rather than a failing.
     
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    Now you're trying to assume you know my intentions behind the post. I posted it in regards to Democrats (Hilary) having a certain mindset just like a republican (Trump, former long time Democrat). Now, you have Biden having a "slip up" recently. Sure..guilty by association. Whatever you want to call it. But, there just seems to be a common theme here with all of them imo.
     
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    Also if Hillary had campaigned harder she might well be president. She didn't make enough appearances in key states.
     
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    Because she thought and/or told it was in the bag. The whole makes me wear my tin foil hat. Was it payback for 2008, was she told she was next? Why didn't Biden run in 2016? The delegate issues with Sanders is fishy. She was put up in the general election against the worst candidate of all time. It's just weird, I wish I'd live long enough to hear the truth behind it.
     
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    I know you watch a lot of sports. There is never an an excuse for underestimating an opponent. I do think Hillary got the nomination in 2016 because it was mostly her time. The party seems to work it out that way for better or worse.
     
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    Biden didn't run in 2016 because his son had just died from brain cancer. He said he simply couldn't handle what it would take to run.
     
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    Not true. While it's true she didn't campaign as hard in Wisconsin and Michigan, if she had won both of them, she still would have lost the election (plus, both states had been in the D column for a very long time). She did campaign heavily in Pennsylvania and Florida, both states that she also lost.

    If you're looking for the real culprits, think more about 4 solid years of bogus investigations that the media ran up the flag pole over and over and over again, the hours and hours of free campaign time this same media gave to the urine stained, orange cockroach plus Comey's little bombshell that he dropped just 2 weeks before the election. And then there were the idiot Jill Stein votes, the moronic Bernie Bros who didn't vote or voted Drumpf and the dearth of polls in the black areas of Detroit.

    Think what you will for good or bad about HRC, but it wasn't a lack of campaigning in Wisconsin and Michigan that cost her the election.

    Special note to Ouchie.... I know a campaign specialist that worked for the Clinton campaign in 1996 and he had told me previously that hie really liked HRC and enjoyed working with her. He also pointed out that not everyone felt that way. I guess one loves her or hates her, with no in-between.
     
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