Possible Dem Candidates for Pres in 2020

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    So what is Bloomberg going to do, skips the first 3 states and gets in for Super Tuesday ?
     
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    I think this wealth tax is the nail in Warrens coffin.
     
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    shes doubling down even after all the backlash buying ads on MSN about wealth tax.
     
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    Do you not agree with the idea or just think it won't fly?

    I like the idea I am just concerned that we're at a point where a large% of people don't realize that they're being brainwashed into opposing wealth tax by the very people who'd be paying the tax if it's passed.

    I see and hear people say it all the time and I ask them why in the world are you standing up for people like Jeff Bezos, you're not going to pay the wealth tax they are. These are people I know who openly talk about Amazon exploiting workers but when they hear Wealth tax they scream socialism, to me it's a total disconnect.

    The gap between the average joe and the CEO has skyrocketed in large part due to the wealthy buying politicians and getting things passed that help them get richer and pay almost no taxes.
     
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    lol... if Biden gets the nom, this is exactly how he needs to respond to Trump. And just make him out to be a coward. He's afraid of Russia. He's afraid of the Press. He's afraid of the NRA. He's afraid of Turkey. America... do we really want to be led by the biggest coward in the world?
     
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    The system is so ****** up all around. This is a band-aid. I'd like to focus more on corruption, tax abuse/loopholes and more before imposing new blanket taxes just because of wealth.

    I get your point of people defending billionaires when it doesn't impact them at all but I also think it is real easy for people to point their finger, grab their pitchforks and demonize a group that they are not a part of.

    Have you looked at more of the tax plan or only the wealth tax?
     
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    I sometimes wonder what POTUS campaigns even are for anymore.

    To me, I don’t expect any particular plan proposed by a candidate to be anything other than a hypothetical of how they’d focus their agenda.

    Trump hasn’t enacted most of his hair brained proposals and most of his horrible administration policies aren’t anything he campaigned on. However, you knew the focus was going to be cracking down on those “lesser Americans” and that’s what we are getting. Most of his executive abuses have been trying to enact campaign policy through Congressional obstruction.

    Obama campaigned on a different version of ACA than what finally became legislation, but you knew he was focused on healthcare. Many of his policies, like immigration reform, were also considered executive abuse to work around Congressional obstruction.

    IMO people get so caught up regarding the particulars of proposed policy and not the general concept.

    Warren won’t get half of what she’s proposed because of obstruction and what she does get will be watered down or piece-meal and probably taken to SCOTUS. What we can determine is that she will focus her admin on policies that benefit less the wealthy and benefit more the working class.

    The funny thing is, this takes less than a week to establish. The rest of the time what are we even doing? They used to take a long time because you literally had to go from town to town to get that one day message to the people, now you can broadcast and record it.
     
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    It's becoming disgustingly long, IMO, especially with the current president campaigning the entire 4 years he is in office. But, even the DNC campaign, it seems like it has been going on for over a year now? And people are still changing positions in the polls?

    I'd like to see someone draw Andrew Yang as their VP.
     
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    You wouldn't want the wealthy to be disenfranchised, would you? By tying campaigns to the need to raise money, they wealthy become the gatekeepers.

    This is another reason that the GOP hasn't turned on Trump, he still raises a crapload of money. So, they grumble occasionally, but get back in line when it counts.
     
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    I think the race for the challenging nomination is definitely a big part of it. Most of our close parliamentary allies have campaigns that last less than two months, but of course they go into them with leaders already established and no separate executive.

    Even so, the long schedule of primaries is honestly like college bowl season. Why not one date?
     
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    More of the wealth tax. I get the idea about demonizing I just think IMO is part of the whole blanket the wealthy have pulled over people. There are plenty of advanced nations that have some sort of wealth tax. The US ran just fine with wealthy paying significantly higher taxes. To me it's one of those but we've always done it that way things where people hear it so much they just say OK that sounds true. Like when Trump kept bringing up the death tax and the poor farmer who loses their farm because daddy dies. It was a complete made up scenario the number of people actually impacted was incredibly small and virtually none of them were poor farmers, it was people like Trump wanting to not pay taxes on huge inheritances.

    I get it, I just spent 3 months fighting the IRS because they sent me a letter saying I underpaid my 2017 taxes by over 3K because of how I handled an inheritance that took 2 years to close from the death of my mother. I sent them all sorts of documenation and disputed it, took 3 months but in the end they not only ruled I didn't owe 3K, but they owed me $800. THe thing is, if I were uber wealthy, that would NEVER have happened, the issue would never have come up because I did my taxes with Turbo tax and disputed the 1099 Fidelity provided me, I had to prove I was correct.

    So that's where I agree about the system being screwed up because I really wonder how many people don't bother to do what I did and just say oh IRS must be right here's $3000?

    The system got this way in large part because of influence. i think I posted it before but Nancy Pelosi's daughter has made 2 films that really drive this home. ONe is called "Meet the Donors: Does Money Talk" the other is I think San Francisco 2.0. Both are about the incredible impact the ultra wealthy have, the first as the title suggests by donating money for influence, the 2nd is gentrification in SF in large part related to the Tech Industry. Really good and both really show what's going on, even the ultra rich in the first movie she gets several of them to flat out admit look this is how things got to be how they are, decades of wealthy people buying influence from Politicians.
     

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