Poll: What to do about the defense

Discussion in 'Arizona Cardinals' started by BigRedRage, Nov 18, 2019.

What do you do for 2020

  1. Keep Vance and add more talent

    47.8%
  2. Fire vance and add more talent.

    52.2%
  1. Chris_Sanders

    Chris_Sanders Super Moderator Contributor

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    Here it is. Kingsbury not involved in the decision. He needs to be the actual head coach going forward.
     
  2. JeffGollin

    JeffGollin Registered User

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    Objectives -

    - Smarter players

    - Stronger, faster players

    - Stronger-handed players

    - Higher level of player talent

    - Better scheming and play calling

    Strategies -

    - Teach existing players

    - Bring in new players

    - Better strength & conditioning programs

    - New defensive coaches

    - Or stick with existing coaches and hope they'll learn.

    All of the above - except for the existing vs. new coaches thingy.
     
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    BigRedRage Reckless Contributor

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    This still isnt forcing a coach upon him. That's the only part that shouldn't be thrown around.

    Yes, they chose a defensive coach for him, because he asked for it. Totally different than having a coach forced upon you.
     
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    Really disappointed in Suggs so far. Yes he his a situational player now but I really have not seen that RAVEN attitude brought over to the cards. I admit I only see what is on TV during the game and not at practices, locker room and all of that most all of us don’t see. But I haven’t seen him raise hell on the sideline one time this year.
     
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    It's funny how talent makes coaches so much better. We don't have much talent on the defensive side of the ball. Hopefully, that gets addressed next year versus making another DC change.
     
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    Krangthebrain Captain of Team Murray

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    I'd fire him. The defense is probably as bad as last year, if not worse.

    The talent isnt good, but they could be playing significantly better than they are. Calling a cover zero at that time was inexcusable. Let them kick the damn FG and send it to overtime, but you cant let them score a TD.

    Too often Joseph just hasn't seemed to have the right playcall at the right time. Guys are out of position too often.
     
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    DCs that primarily run zone needs to be banned. Any above-average QB will abuse it.
     
  8. BigRedRage

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    looks like 60/40 with 60 saying fire his ass
     
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    Cards should fire Vance and look into picking up Shaq Barrett and Marcus Peters in free agency.
     
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    One nagging question about firing the DC or any other coach:

    Do we really know. what's going on behind the scenes?

    How are decisions made?

    Who makes the decisions?

    Is our defense decision making fluid? Or is it establishing a rigid approach and then making players fit into it?

    What do successful teams do that we're not doing?

    If we were to make a coaching change, would it help the team or hurt it?

    I just feel that firing folks doesn't always get you what you want.
     
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    ...and they have been. Consistently. It's painful to watch.. bend but don't break defenses have always pissed me off.
     
  12. daves

    daves Keepin' it real! Contributor

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    ... which is kinda ironic, given that what fans are most pissed about this week is VJ's decision to blitz, rather than play zone and "bend, but don't break". Break but don't bend defenses are great, except when they break!

    ...dave
     
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    He's buddies with the 49ers DL coach. They played football together at TT. Would be an upgrade over what we're seeing now more than likely lol.
     
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    Agreed. But the latter shows defenses that are the aggressors and aren't reactionary..imo. That's why we all appreciated bowles led defenses imo..
     
  15. cardpa

    cardpa I'm all right

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    Maybe we just have a bunch of stupid defensive players who can't execute the defense. When you see the same mistakes over and over, you really have to question the personnel. The coaches can only teach and scheme. The players are the ones who have to execute those schemes.
     

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