Pivotal Season?

[Harry]

You expect a 28 year old with 64 NFL starts to, what, be top 5 in sacks this season? 11+ sacks?

His biggest problem may be beating his teammates to the QB.

 

[Proximo]

I still think Petzing is majorly at fault for the offense's lack of production.

He just doesn't want to take chances at all. Why I am not sure, it may be he doesn't trust Kyler, or it may be he just doesn't trust any QB to throw down the field. All I know is Kyler was much more effective throwing down field before he got here - so to me logically he is the reason.

 

[CardNots]

Hi Harry, great writeup. Best I have seen on the Cardinals this year. We should improve with the easier schedule. Like most teams the season will be determined by how well the QB plays. I am not optimistic.

With the upgrades on defense playing same difficult schedule as last year would land you at least 10 wins. Add a little better health on the OL we easily make waves.

So the idea of doing better based on an easier schedule implies we need that?

 

[kerouac9]

I expect around 10, +- 2, and decent run D. That seems good to great for me.

Seems fairly mid to me (17 players had 10+ sacks in 2024; 35 had 8+ sacks). 12 would be excellent.

 

[Goodyear Card]

I still think Petzing is majorly at fault for the offense's lack of production.

He just doesn't want to take chances at all. Why I am not sure, it may be he doesn't trust Kyler, or it may be he just doesn't trust any QB to throw down the field. All I know is Kyler was much more effective throwing down field before he got here - so to me logically he is the reason.

Petzing has let Murray throw the ball deep, but Murray has thrown interceptions and then Petzing reverts to the ground game and short passing plays. Murray had a good deep ball when he was throwing to Hopkins. Since Hopkins left his deep ball has been poor.

 

[oaken1]

With the upgrades on defense playing same difficult schedule as last year would land you at least 10 wins. Add a little better health on the OL we easily make waves.

So the idea of doing better based on an easier schedule implies we need that?

Imo... remove the injuries,...add the new talent we added this off season...and last season would have been 11 wins minimum.

So now we have the added talent. Our young guys from 24 have a years experience...and our injured players are back.
Even with a tougher schedule we should be expecting 10 wins in 25 as a floor...
But I am kinda expecting 12 wins assuming we don't get decimated by injuries.

 

[oaken1]

Seems fairly mid to me (17 players had 10+ sacks in 2024; 35 had 8+ sacks). 12 would be excellent.

Yeah I kinda expect double digit sacks from sweat being back in this system...10 might even be disappointing...12 would be good...since he had 11 last time he played in this system.
15 is likely way too high an expectation though...

 

[Krangodnzr]

Lot of this “the Cards are gonna have a top defense” hangs precariously on the assumption that Walter Nolen and Darius Robinson are going to be above-average NFL players very quickly.

Sweat and Tomlinson and Campbell are average starters.

Deranged take.

 

[Krangodnzr]

The Eagles have $25 million in effective cap space right now. I don't think the Eagles let those guys leave because they're bad; I think the Eagles let those guys leave because they're not that good.

Or they have much cheaper roster options and it leaves cap space open for future moves.

 

[BACH]

The Eagles have $25 million in effective cap space right now. I don't think the Eagles let those guys leave because they're bad; I think the Eagles let those guys leave because they're not that good.

The more realistic reason would be that they do not want to have so much money tied up in a single position group and they have to extent two other players, who are both 1st rounders

 

[BACH]

Thanks for the great write-up @Harry.

Super complex discussion IMO.

I think you are absolutely right in JC wanting to play ball controlled offense and do not see as big of a need to upgrade the offense.

But I also think there is more to it.

I think it’s fair to say that Kyler and Petzing left a lot to be desired last season. The weird thing for me is that you saw a glimpse of the less conservative approach. Reiman caught the very few balls thrown his way, but he was basicly never schemed or targeted.
We saw one game of Dortch being let loose with great showing very late in the season.
Zay Jones looked pretty decent at the end of the season when he was finally schemed and targeted.

I also feel there is a need for a deep threat on the team, but JC and MO doesn’t seem to share that opinion. Why is that?

Could it be that we only saw a very limited version of the offense, because the offense constantly had to play the TOP game to protect an overmatched defensive rosters?

What if Petzing had more options but was told to play it super conservative? The team was in all the games that were lost by playing conservative.

And while we sit here on this board complaining, the offense still finished 11th in scoring offense.

 

[kerouac9]

Deranged take.

Good post. Compelling and rich.

 

[BACH]

You expect a 28 year old with 64 NFL starts to, what, be top 5 in sacks this season? 11+ sacks?

Curious about all these questions. No rational explanation for them. You provide no thoughts for them.


What factor does age at 28 have for a pass rusher?

How is starts (64) a factor?

Where does the definition of top 5 = great or 11+ = great come from?

If I didn’t know any better, it’s almost like you are just pulling random stuff out of your ass to be aggressive towards other posters. But, that would certainly not be your style

 

[kerouac9]

Curious about all these questions. No rational explanation for them. You provide no thoughts for them.


What factor does age at 28 have for a pass rusher?

How is starts (64) a factor?

Where does the definition of top 5 = great or 11+ = great come from?

If I didn’t know any better, it’s almost like you are just pulling random stuff out of your ass to be aggressive towards other posters. But, that would certainly not be your style

lol. You’re being intentionally obtuse. Gimme a break.

A guy past his prime is unlikely to set high-water marks for past production. I’d consider top 5 to be “great” production, and 11 sacks would qualify as top five.

Find a new slant.

 

[BACH]

lol. You’re being intentionally obtuse. Gimme a break.

A guy past his prime is unlikely to set high-water marks for past production. I’d consider top 5 to be “great” production, and 11 sacks would qualify as top five.

Find a new slant.

At least we got your thoughts on the age.

4 of the top 5 in sacks last year were older than 28, so your conclusion of past prime is not correct. Top 6 were 30,29,25,34,30 and 30. So just something you made up to fit your narrative.

What are your thoughts on number of starts as a factor, please?

 

[BACH]

I still think Petzing is majorly at fault for the offense's lack of production.

He just doesn't want to take chances at all. Why I am not sure, it may be he doesn't trust Kyler, or it may be he just doesn't trust any QB to throw down the field. All I know is Kyler was much more effective throwing down field before he got here - so to me logically he is the reason.

Question is how much he was asked not to do and how much he was incapable of fixing

 

[Shane]

lol. You’re being intentionally obtuse. Gimme a break.

A guy past his prime is unlikely to set high-water marks for past production. I’d consider top 5 to be “great” production, and 11 sacks would qualify as top five.

Find a new slant.

28 is past prime now?

 

[BACH]

28 is past prime now?

My exact point.

Just made up BS.

28 is not a past prime age at any position. You can discuss 30 as past prime for some positions. Edge isn’t one of them.

 

[oaken1]

My exact point.

Just made up BS.

28 is not a past prime age at any position. You can discuss 30 as past prime for some positions. Edge isn’t one of them.

It's full on in Prime for the NFL

 

[oaken1]

lol. You’re being intentionally obtuse. Gimme a break.

A guy past his prime is unlikely to set high-water marks for past production. I’d consider top 5 to be “great” production, and 11 sacks would qualify as top five.

Find a new slant.

Come on K9...you know a guy at 28 still has a couple prime years left...especially a pass rusher.
We should be able to count on him for 25 & 26 at least...possibly as long as 2025-2029...good speed rushers with bend and a decent Arsenal of moves should be effective till about 32

 

[Krangodnzr]

lol. You’re being intentionally obtuse. Gimme a break.

A guy past his prime is unlikely to set high-water marks for past production. I’d consider top 5 to be “great” production, and 11 sacks would qualify as top five.

Find a new slant.

Pure ridiculousness. Quite a few pass rushers have been productive into their even mid 30's. What's his Madden rating?

 

[Krangodnzr]

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Good news, Josh Sweat is clearly an above average player with an 84 overall Madden rating so he is clearly a good player. Case closed.

 

[Krangodnzr]

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I'm kind of worried about this signing. His throw on the run is only a 6.

 

[DVontel]

Just by talent, defense should be a lot better.

Just don’t hope Gannon reverts back to the vanilla plan he did with Philly & getting away with it because of the crazy talent they had.

 

[Mulli]

Going all in on Kyler to make him a game manger is pretty sad.

Eh it is fine.

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I'm kind of worried about this signing. His throw on the run is only a 6.

his blocking kicking scores show he is a me first ego player. bUsT!