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Imo a “genius” can effectively coach around a single injury - even to the QB if it doesn’t mean the QB doesn’t miss time. Otherwise it’s just a coach riding the talent of a single player.
i think thats true for QBs only for a game or maybe two --- then defenses expose the lack of talent

i think KK deserves criticism for having Strevler over Hundley and/or Streveler looking lost against the Rams
 

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i think thats true for QBs only for a game or maybe two --- then defenses expose the lack of talent

i think KK deserves criticism for having Strevler over Hundley and/or Streveler looking lost against the Rams
That’s your only criticism of kk?!?
 

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That’s your only criticism of kk?!?

he didn't say "only" Ouch.

that decision was indefensible though. Strevler didn't look like he belonged in a Turkey Bowl with friends on Thanksgiving morning, much less the biggest game of the season against a Rams team also being held together by duct-tape and super glue.
 

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Strevler didn't look like he belonged in a Turkey Bowl with friends on Thanksgiving morning,
when Streveler was signed: this could be a fun Taysom Hill kinda piece. Special teams, gadget plays. Take snaps in short yardage with Murray lined up in the backfield. Fun

what we got: one QB snap (and a reverse at that) and some pathetic backup Qb play with the season on the line.
 

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But he DOESNT pass well enough. When he can run, it masks his deficiency.

This isn't an opinion. He was bottom 5 passing 10-18 yards down the field.

Teams figured out that they can defend the first 0-9 yards and put some pressure so that he doesn't have time to let things develop down the field and Kyler couldn't beat it.
Kyler can pass just as well or even better for the first 0-9 yards, matter of fact he's deadly accurate to a 'T'. Heck, watch him in practice sinking balls with complete perfection in the net boxes, but... in a game his height does come into play and he cannot get it over the DL when using perfect form to throw
 

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cmon Ouchie. Did i use the word "only"?
No you didn’t. But you brought up a completely unrelated item to criticize kk about, which I thought odd. I figured if you raised something unrelated to the topic you must’ve thought that was your primary focus as a OL drawback. Apologies if I got that wrong.
 

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No you didn’t. But you brought up a completely unrelated item to criticize kk about, which I thought odd. I figured if you raised something unrelated to the topic you must’ve thought that was your primary focus as a OL drawback. Apologies if I got that wrong.
it was like:

i think a good coach can get a team through one game when the starting QB goes down, but probably not more than that.

Kliff couldnt get one game --- either through a bad choice, or, bad prep of that choice
 

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it was like:

i think a good coach can get a team through one game when the starting QB goes down, but probably not more than that.

Kliff couldnt get one game --- either through a bad choice, or, bad prep of that choice
Ah I get it now.
 
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"Coaches are so smart, you might be really good the first six weeks, film gets out there, teams start scheming you up, and you have to find another look," the running back added.
A lot has been said about the Cardinals' slide last year after a 6-3 start, and what happened to the offense. Quarterback Kyler Murray getting banged up was a factor. But coaching adjustments were needed too, and Kliff Kingsbury agreed with Edmonds.
"(Chase) is a smart player, well versed in it, and I'll be the first one to take accountability on playcalls and things of that nature so I have no issue with (him saying) that," Kingsbury said.
Kingsbury said the main solution is to "evolve" each year in how the offense runs. Adding pieces to the offensive line (Rodney Hudson) and skill spots (A.J. Green, Rondale Moore, James Conner) should help, but so too should adjusting the playbook and other smaller details.

"Offensively we led the league in stalled drives due to penalty," Kingsbury said. "We were a top six offense, and had we not done that, who knows what we could've been."
 

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"Coaches are so smart, you might be really good the first six weeks, film gets out there, teams start scheming you up, and you have to find another look," the running back added.
A lot has been said about the Cardinals' slide last year after a 6-3 start, and what happened to the offense. Quarterback Kyler Murray getting banged up was a factor. But coaching adjustments were needed too, and Kliff Kingsbury agreed with Edmonds.
"(Chase) is a smart player, well versed in it, and I'll be the first one to take accountability on playcalls and things of that nature so I have no issue with (him saying) that," Kingsbury said.
Kingsbury said the main solution is to "evolve" each year in how the offense runs. Adding pieces to the offensive line (Rodney Hudson) and skill spots (A.J. Green, Rondale Moore, James Conner) should help, but so too should adjusting the playbook and other smaller details.

"Offensively we led the league in stalled drives due to penalty," Kingsbury said. "We were a top six offense, and had we not done that, who knows what we could've been."
Well kliff accountability and discipline are head coach thing. You have a player who leads the league in penalties it’s a player issue. When the team does it, it’s a coaching issue. Get your house straight.
 

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Well kliff accountability and discipline are head coach thing. You have a player who leads the league in penalties it’s a player issue. When the team does it, it’s a coaching issue. Get your house straight.
I dont know man. I've worked with groups that were straight knuckleheads, that senior leadership couldnt change them. Leadership only goes so far; some people you have to cut bait on and replace them.

Maybe, just maybe, this is what Keim was talking about when he talked about infusing the locker room with leadership. We can speculate all we want, but we don't know for sure.
 

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I have some sympathy here for the players.

The majority of the penalties were on the O line and especially tackles. The up tempo, no huddle offense and the way Kyler snaps the ball don't help the O line with their timing.

If they couldn't get it right in empty stadiums I don't see it improving much unless there's some major tactical changes.
 

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I dont know man. I've worked with groups that were straight knuckleheads, that senior leadership couldnt change them. Leadership only goes so far; some people you have to cut bait on and replace them.

Maybe, just maybe, this is what Keim was talking about when he talked about infusing the locker room with leadership. We can speculate all we want, but we don't know for sure.
The team lead the league in penalties. The offense lead the league in penalty stalled drives. That’s not a bunch of knuckleheads. That’s coaching. It’s always been called out as coaching because the head coach is responsible for setting the tone and holding players accountable. Yes, every team needs players who are leaders - but they lead, they don’t take the head coaches responsibilities. Ask any coach from nfl down to pee wee whose issue it is if you lead the league in penalties and to a person I’d bet they say “head coach.”
 
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