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Defense

Marco Wilson - 62
Byron Murphy - 76.3
Robert Alford - 76.1
Budda Baker - 85.4
Jalen Thompson - 62.8

Isaiah Simmons - 63 (PFF on crack)
Jordan Hicks - 52
Zaven Collins - 72.5 (Run defense 90, coverage 41. This might explain why he vanished during passing downs)

Chandler Jones - 93.8
JJ Watt - 67.5
Markus Golden - 68
Zach Allen - 34.8 - Yikes
Leki Fotu - 42.2
Rashard Lawrence - 56.9
Michael Dogbe - 62.7
Corey Peters - 62.9

Those young D line guys really have a long way to go.

Offense coming up
 

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I saw a stat posted that had Zach having a good pressure on QB % on rush snaps. He was 2nd or 3rd best on the team.
 

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Offense

Kyler Murray - 84.5

Chase Edmonds - 63.8
James Conner - 63.3

Maxx Williams - 54.7
Demetrius Harris - 55.3
Darrell Daniels - No grade

Hump - 78.7
Pugh - 67.8
Hudson - 52.7 (Only 28.5 pass blocking)
Jones - 42.5 (65 pass blocking)
Beachum - 67.4
Murray - 66.4

Hopkins - 81.8
Green - 55.9 (Nothing to see here, quickly move on)
Kirk - 85.9
Moore - 80.9

When did we last have a QB and 3 WR's over 80 grades?
 

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Yup. These ranking sites are ridiculous.
I'll take the eye test over most of these stat based assessments or whatever they use to come up with these.
I thought Corey Peters had a good game from what I saw. Same with Hicks and Simmons. Didn't remember seeing much of Zaven which was evident by his snap count.
 

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Yup. These ranking sites are ridiculous.
I'll take the eye test over most of these stat based assessments or whatever they use to come up with these.
I thought Corey Peters had a good game from what I saw. Same with Hicks and Simmons. Didn't remember seeing much of Zaven which was evident by his snap count.

I really don't want to make this a discussion about PFF but the "I trust my eyes while watching the ball, eating chips and drinking 6 beers" argument is hard to take over 3 professional football analysts paid to watch every individual play using coaches film from multiple angles.

I think everyone here would agree we catch the splash plays right? Simmons played 60+ snaps last night and I bet none of us saw more than 8 of them. He could have been beat in coverage 20 times and just not targeted. He could have been trucked out of position 30 times and we wouldn't notice. PFF also watch all those plays we never see.
 

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Yup. These ranking sites are ridiculous.
I'll take the eye test over most of these stat based assessments or whatever they use to come up with these.
I thought Corey Peters had a good game from what I saw. Same with Hicks and Simmons. Didn't remember seeing much of Zaven which was evident by his snap count.
I don’t know how accurately you can have an entire crew sit and review all the tape from a single game every single play and have an overall review by the next day.

Jesus how large would PFF staff have to be? To review every single player at every single position for every single snap for an entire game and grade it and then do that for all 32 teams? And they would need A so-called expert reviewing all of that an expert at every single position. THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE Literally like 2000 people sitting in a room reviewing tape for hours and everyone of them would have to be an expert. Lol

seems to me like they do a VERY generic look of stats and just kind of throw numbers out there….. Sonetimes there numbers make zero sense. Simmons as an example in the list above for me…
 

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Offense

Kyler Murray - 84.5

Chase Edmonds - 63.8
James Conner - 63.3

Maxx Williams - 54.7
Demetrius Harris - 55.3
Darrell Daniels - No grade

Hump - 78.7
Pugh - 67.8
Hudson - 52.7 (Only 28.5 pass blocking)
Jones - 42.5 (65 pass blocking)
Beachum - 67.4
Murray - 66.4

Hopkins - 81.8
Green - 55.9 (Nothing to see here, quickly move on)
Kirk - 85.9
Moore - 80.9

When did we last have a QB and 3 WR's over 80 grades?

Humphries being the best lineman yesterday, got beaten couple of times
Don't think are any accurate those grades
It is possible the pff guy waa watching games yesterday and decide to put those grades some with highlights and some randomly?
 

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I don’t know how accurately you can have an entire crew sit and review all the tape from a single game every single play and have an overall review by the next day.

Jesus how large would PFF staff have to be? To review every single player at every single position for every single snap for an entire game and grade it and then do that for all 32 teams? And they would need A so-called expert reviewing all of that an expert at every single position. THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE Literally like 2000 people sitting in a room reviewing tape for hours and everyone of them would have to be an expert. Lol

seems to me like they do a VERY generic look of stats and just kind of throw numbers out there….. Sonetimes there numbers make zero sense. Simmons as an example in the list above for me…

What I love is the point 3, .4, .5, .8, etc.
 

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I don’t know how accurately you can have an entire crew sit and review all the tape from a single game every single play and have an overall review by the next day.

Jesus how large would PFF staff have to be? To review every single player at every single position for every single snap for an entire game and grade it and then do that for all 32 teams? And they would need A so-called expert reviewing all of that an expert at every single position. THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE Literally like 2000 people sitting in a room reviewing tape for hours and everyone of them would have to be an expert. Lol

seems to me like they do a VERY generic look of stats and just kind of throw numbers out there….. Sonetimes there numbers make zero sense. Simmons as an example in the list above for me…

As I said in my reply. How many plays of Simmons do you think you actually saw of his 66 yesterday? Maybe 8?

What did he do on the other 58?

I understand everyone thinking Simmons (His grade is above average) played well because they saw a handful of plays where he played well, but do you think there is at least the chance that in all the plays we didn't notice him there might have been some things he got negative grades for?
 

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I really don't want to make this a discussion about PFF but the "I trust my eyes while watching the ball, eating chips and drinking 6 beers" argument is hard to take over 3 professional football analysts paid to watch every individual play using coaches film from multiple angles.

I think everyone here would agree we catch the splash plays right? Simmons played 60+ snaps last night and I bet none of us saw more than 8 of them. He could have been beat in coverage 20 times and just not targeted. He could have been trucked out of position 30 times and we wouldn't notice. PFF also watch all those plays we never see.
Conceptually I agree with you. My only hesitations on these tend to be:

1. What’s the resume of the analysts? Are they actually qualified to make the judgment calls?

2. how much insight into players assignments in different formations against offensive sets do the analysts really have? Absent that information a lot of their analysis as to success or failure is somewhat educated guesses.
 

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