Peacemaker (HBO Max)

[Covert Rain]

The second one wasn't as bad as the first, but was by no means great. The one guy was suuuper annoying and just not funny.

I liked seeing the gang back together. Also, are they trying to make Peacemaker more unlikable? Just disappointed in this season so far. Is it me or outside of the opening credits, does the tone of Season 2 seem way off?!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Episode 6 and 7 were great, but I thought the finale landed with a thud for a pretty MEH overall grade for the season.

 

[Covert Rain]

This was the most pointless Season 2 of any show I can remember. There were a couple great episodes this season but overall a big let down.

The show absolutely went nowhere. It didn’t lead to anything meaningful. The finale was a pile of garbage. Especially since there will be no Season 3.

 

[Stout]

This was the most pointless Season 2 of any show I can remember. There were a couple great episodes this season but overall a big let down.

The show absolutely went nowhere. It didn’t lead to anything meaningful. The finale was a pile of garbage. Especially since there will be no Season 3.

Yeah, it's a one-season show. Period. Eff James Gunn for ruining that. Oh, and it was canceled and you need to watch the tie-in movies to find anything more out about Chris? Double eff you, Gunn. Now DC has nothing for me.

 

[Chaplin]

Once again, another multiverse concept fails. Why won't these guys learn?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Once again, another multiverse concept fails. Why won't these guys learn?

Ego.

 

[Covert Rain]

Once again, another multiverse concept fails. Why won't these guys learn?

I honestly don’t think that was the issue. There was zero payoff. It didn’t lead to anything or tie in the rest of the DC universe in any meaningful way.

Couple that with the utterly lazy retcon at the start of the season? This sure fees like Gunn either mailed it in or can’t handle everything on his plate.

 

[Chaplin]

I honestly don’t think that was the issue. There was zero payoff. It didn’t lead to anything or tie in the rest of the DC universe in any meaningful way.

Couple that with the utterly lazy retcon at the start of the season? This sure fees like Gunn either mailed it in or can’t handle everything on his plate.

Tell me, which multiverse story in any of these movies or universes had anything more than zero payoff?

 

[Covert Rain]

Tell me, which multiverse story in any of these movies or universes had anything more than zero payoff?

Marvel has been effective IMO at times. The TV shows did a much better job like in Crisis. It can be done. The problem isn’t the multiverse in itself IMO.

 

[PDXChris]

Tell me, which multiverse story in any of these movies or universes had anything more than zero payoff?

Spiderman and Deadpool were both enjoyable.

Micheal Keaton and Sasha Calle were the only likeable parts of the Flash and wish they had gotten their own movie for Supergirl and Batman together.

 

[Chaplin]

Marvel has FAR more flops than successes when it comes to the multiverse. Most of the successes are in spite of the multiverse, not because of it.

 

[Covert Rain]

Marvel has FAR more flops than successes when it comes to the multiverse. Most of the successes are in spite of the multiverse, not because of it.

You could easily argue any flops were in spite of the multiverse. There have been more mediocre and bad hero films that had nothing to do with the multiverse then the number that had that as a major plot point.

 

[PDXChris]

Marvel has FAR more flops than successes when it comes to the multiverse. Most of the successes are in spite of the multiverse, not because of it.

I agree! Liking 3 of 10 or so instances is not a good ratio. And none of the 3 led to anything after, at least not yet.

 

[Chaplin]

I agree! Liking 3 of 10 or so instances is not a good ratio. And none of the 3 led to anything after, at least not yet.

What are the 2 best properties/movies/shows that have come out since Endgame? I would argue that Thunderbolts and Shang-Chi are probably the top of the heap, and neither of those used the Multiverse.

 

[PDXChris]

What are the 2 best properties/movies/shows that have come out since Endgame? I would argue that Thunderbolts and Shang-Chi are probably the top of the heap, and neither of those used the Multiverse.

Spider-Man: No Way Home is right there for me, but Spiderman was my favorite as a kid, so I am probably more in the minority here. Otherwise, I agree with all of this.

 

[Chaplin]

Spider-Man: No Way Home is right there for me, but Spiderman was my favorite as a kid, so I am probably more in the minority here. Otherwise, I agree with all of this.

To be fair No Way Home was probably the best use of the multiverse.

But Tom Holland's Spider-Man didn't travel to multiple universes, not like Dr. Strange and Peacemaker, so the Multiverse as a concept was used, but the other universes themselves weren't integral to the more personal plotline of that film.

 

[Covert Rain]

Spider-Man: No Way Home is right there for me, but Spiderman was my favorite as a kid, so I am probably more in the minority here. Otherwise, I agree with all of this.

Spider-Man No Way Home, Loki, which established the TVA which is a fan favorite and crucial to establishing the concept, Dr. Strange was a direct continuation of Wandavison which also helped by diving into alternative realities and cosmic horror, Deadpool and Wolverine, I already mentioned DC Time Crisis and agree on that take about Flash.

The laundry list is much larger for mediocre bad from films and shows that had zero to do with the multiverse. Although, after
Thinking about this, I think it makes it easier to rely on that plot point too much and get lazy like Gunn did.

 

[oaken1]

Marvel has been effective IMO at times. The TV shows did a much better job like in Crisis. It can be done. The problem isn’t the multiverse in itself IMO.

Agree...it isnt the "concept" of multiverse that is the issue...its just the application...
Probably the best use of multiverse is with Doctor Strange...when he shuffles through millions of future variations until he finds the outcome he wants,...then decides.."okay, lets live through this reality"...it was presented as him haggling with Dormammu...but he was really just selecting a thread in the multiverse...since every single outcome occurred.

 

[oaken1]

Spider-Man No Way Home, Loki, which established the TVA which is a fan favorite and crucial to establishing the concept, Dr. Strange was a direct continuation of Wandavison which also helped by diving into alternative realities and cosmic horror, Deadpool and Wolverine, I already mentioned DC Time Crisis and agree on that take about Flash.

The laundry list is much larger for mediocre bad from films and shows that had zero to do with the multiverse. Although, after
Thinking about this, I think it makes it easier to rely on that plot point too much and get lazy like Gunn did.

yeah...relying on alternate realities is a major fix all crutch... you can milk the drama of killing off major players then just hand wave them back into existence later. It removes any sense of consequence from a story...thus making the entire story pretty meaningless. The ONLY bright side to it is that it allows course corrections when a hack director takes an IP off in a horrible direction...it can be fixed without a total reboot.

 

[oaken1]

I agree! Liking 3 of 10 or so instances is not a good ratio. And none of the 3 led to anything after, at least not yet.

Just wait until the "End Game End Game" when DC and Marvel cross over and The Avengers slip to an alternate reality and Bring Superman and Batman et al over to their side to totally delete Thanos and his entire ilk...no way he can handle The Avengers and Justice League at the same time!!!

Imagine the box office on that!!

 

[Covert Rain]

Just wait until the "End Game End Game" when DC and Marvel cross over and The Avengers slip to an alternate reality and Bring Superman and Batman et al over to their side to totally delete Thanos and his entire ilk...no way he can handle The Avengers and Justice League at the same time!!!

Imagine the box office on that!!

Reminds me of them bringing all the cartoon worlds together for Who Framed Roger Rabbit. I read somewhere that they said that movie as is would be impossible today because of the licensing costs.

A JL and Avengers crossover would be epic. However, there would be no place to go after that. It would be so epic that anything that came after would feel small.

 

[oaken1]

Reminds me of them bringing all the cartoon worlds together for Who Framed Roger Rabbit. I read somewhere that they said that movie as is would be impossible today because of the licensing costs.

A JL and Avengers crossover would be epic. However, there would be no place to go after that. It would be so epic that anything that came after would feel small.

Well... then Pete can finally go back to just being your friendly neighborhood spider man like he always wanted.