Pavlovic's Contract Options

[binkar]

Here is a little blurb on Utah potentially being interested in Pavlovic's contract.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=Chatter-090716

What could we get in return from Utah for his contract? Who are some other players from financially strapped teams that may become available to us with this contract.

I am sure when all is said and done we will just release him and save the money ourselves, but let's talk about some of the other options that are more exciting.

(There also is a little blurb on Amare on this link.)

 

[tobiazz]

After August 25th, the Suns could trade Pavlovic + Barbosa for Boozer. That would give let us play Amare at C, Boozer at PF, and have lots of options next off-season with Amare and Boozer expiring.

I think the numbers might work with sending Pavlovic + JRich for Kirilenko. That would balance out each team, but I don't think JRich would be a Sloan-type player.

 

[TJ]

After August 25th, the Suns could trade Pavlovic + Barbosa for Boozer. That would give let us play Amare at C, Boozer at PF, and have lots of options next off-season with Amare and Boozer expiring.

I think the numbers might work with sending Pavlovic + JRich for Kirilenko. That would balance out each team, but I don't think JRich would be a Sloan-type player.

AK47 is one of the most disappointing players in the league. Paid like a superstar, plays like a scrub. I want nothing to do with him and neither does any team in this league, maybe except for the Grizzlies who seem to like overpaid, underperforming players like Kwame Brown.

Also, your scenario of getting rid of both Barbosa and J-Rich makes no sense. That leaves us with no capable 2 guards on the roster, which would make Alando Tucker the starter. Right now we have a good starter in J-Rich and a 6th man of the year guard in Barbosa. Getting rid of either just makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[binkar]

In a smaller deal, we could Pav straight across for Korver (though I don't see either of us being interested in that deal). I would hope to get a decent young player or draft pick(s) in any deal. I like Koufos and Miles but don't know if we could pry either of those guys away from them.

What other teams are looking for financial relief? New Orleans, Utah, who else?

 

[Griffin]

What other teams are looking for financial relief? New Orleans, Utah, who else?

Phoenix.

 

[cly2tw]

What's the deadline for waiving Pavlovic for 1.5m?

AK47 would be worst thing for Suns. His trade value is way negative. Utah would love to swap him/Miles with JRich/Pav. But we don't as his contract is worse than JRich's and would cut into our 2010 FA cap room. And Korver's is also too much for a non-contending team like ours. If Utah wants the saving, they have to do Miles/Fesenko for Pav. So, no deal.

 

[binkar]

Phoenix.

Thanks. I appreciate it.

 

[Griffin]

Thanks. I appreciate it.

No problem

I just don't see the Suns adding more salary and taking a LT hit when they can just waive him and save money.

 

[binkar]

I don't either (as I stated above), but for the sake of boredom I thought it was at least something to discuss. The FO office has mentioned many times that they could use it as a trading chip (not that that means anything), so I was trying to look at possible assets it could bring.

 

[Mainstreet]

I just don't see the Suns adding more salary and taking a LT hit when they can just waive him and save money.

I don't think it's cut and dry or the Suns would have already bought him out. I think the Suns are going to look to see if his contract might have some value to another team. There are a lot of options.

 

[elindholm]

Utah would love to swap him/Miles with JRich/Pav. But we don't as his contract is worse than JRich's and would cut into our 2010 FA cap room.

What cap room is that? The Suns are going to be over $60 million next season after Nash's extension. They won't have any cap room.

Kirilenko is overpaid, but he does bring a lot to the table and can guard at least four positions. His contract is up in the summer of 2011, same as Richardson's. That's the summer the Suns need to be looking at. Miles is still only 22 and has decent potential. If not for costing a ton of money, Richardson/Pavlovic for Kirilenko/Miles would be a great trade for Phoenix.

 

[tobiazz]

Also, your scenario of getting rid of both Barbosa and J-Rich makes no sense. That leaves us with no capable 2 guards on the roster, which would make Alando Tucker the starter. Right now we have a good starter in J-Rich and a 6th man of the year guard in Barbosa. Getting rid of either just makes no sense whatsoever.

I presented no scenario involving getting rid of Barbs + JRich.

Pav + one of those two.

Pav might be able to be traded for one of: Harpring, Korver, Miles. Not sure if the salaries fall in the proper percentage though. I doubt the Jazz would be thriftier than the Suns or we would have likely kept Shaq.

 

[cly2tw]

What cap room is that? The Suns are going to be over $60 million next season after Nash's extension. They won't have any cap room.

Kirilenko is overpaid, but he does bring a lot to the table and can guard at least four positions. His contract is up in the summer of 2011, same as Richardson's. That's the summer the Suns need to be looking at. Miles is still only 22 and has decent potential. If not for costing a ton of money, Richardson/Pavlovic for Kirilenko/Miles would be a great trade for Phoenix.

Talente wise, you certainly have a good point. But I'm not so sure about the assertion that Suns wouldn't be a player in next year FA market. They could possibly trade Nash to NY for cap room if they couldn't find two of the caliber of LBJ to join them. In that case, the 3 more mil in AK's contract would potentially be a real burden.

 

[mojorizen7]

The only affordable guy i like from Utah is Ronnie Brewer because he can defend.....but we're deep at the SF. Old....but deep. SF is also the ONLY position we're strong at in terms of defense already.

 

[Ollie]

What cap room is that? The Suns are going to be over $60 million next season after Nash's extension. They won't have any cap room.

Kirilenko is overpaid, but he does bring a lot to the table and can guard at least four positions. His contract is up in the summer of 2011, same as Richardson's. That's the summer the Suns need to be looking at. Miles is still only 22 and has decent potential. If not for costing a ton of money, Richardson/Pavlovic for Kirilenko/Miles would be a great trade for Phoenix.

My thoughts exactly.

It won't happen because the Suns try to shave salaries from their payroll (and probably because Sloan wouldn't touch J-Rich with a 10-foot pole).
But from a "pure" basketball standpoint, it makes a lot of sense for Phoenix.

 

[elindholm]

But I'm not so sure about the assertion that Suns wouldn't be a player in next year FA market. They could possibly trade Nash to NY for cap room if they couldn't find two of the caliber of LBJ to join them.

So you're suggesting that a big-ticket free agent would turn down the Knicks in order to join the Nash-less Suns?

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I'm down for a Boozer/Brewer for Barbosa, Pavolic, filler trade.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I'm down for a Boozer/Brewer for Barbosa, Pavolic, filler trade.

Filler as in a first round pick or two? That's the only way Utah would consider it.

 

[Mulli]

I'm down for a Boozer/Brewer for Barbosa, Pavolic, filler trade.

That would be silly for Utah to even consider.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Filler as in a first round pick or two? That's the only way Utah would consider it.

That would be silly for Utah to even consider.

You would think but I was listening to Miami radio this morning and they are going to give them Udonis Haslem and Dorrell Wright for Boozer. Let me tell you first hand both those guys suck.

After matching Millsap they HAVE to get rid of Boozers contract (especially with the poison pill) and if they want anything worthwile they will have to include a guy like Miles or Brewer to make it happen. They have no leverege and every body in the league knows it.

So in a vacum - yes that trade doesn't look good from Utahs perspective - but when you take in the financials of the situation it doesn't look that bad for Utah.

Getting a guy like Barbosa to put in the backcourt with 6'4 Deron Williams (at a reasonable contract and for a guy who isn't blinded by the big lights of the city) would be a match made in heaven from the Jazz perspective IMO.

 

[Mulli]

I do not rate Barbosa as highly as lot of people on here. He is not really a Jerry Sloan type player is he?

 

[elindholm]

I'm down for a Boozer/Brewer for Barbosa, Pavolic, filler trade.

Wow, I guess I'm the only one who doesn't like that from Phoenix's perspective. Boozer would be a one-year rental for the Suns. He can't stay healthy, has an attitude problem, and doesn't play much defense -- exactly like another PF the Suns already have and probably don't want to extend. So the trade would be basically Barbosa for Brewer, which seems like a pretty big downgrade to me.

 

[Covert Rain]

Wow, I guess I'm the only one who doesn't like that from Phoenix's perspective. Boozer would be a one-year rental for the Suns. He can't stay healthy, has an attitude problem, and doesn't play much defense -- exactly like another PF the Suns already have and probably don't want to extend. So the trade would be basically Barbosa for Brewer, which seems like a pretty big downgrade to me.

I with you. Silly trade IMO. I don't trust Boozer's health one bit and Boozer and Amare playing together in the FC doesn't work. I have already stated that playing Amare at Center is a huge mistake but playing Boozer at Center is not much better. That's all on top of the fact that I don't think there would be a chance he would resign here. Brewer is an OK player but he doesn't bring explosiveness like Barbs does. Nuff said there.

Also, I don't like any scenario involving AK-47. You would take on his over bloated contract long term and the guy is as soft as tissue on defense. We just signed a guy name Frye that doesn't like to bang on the block. At least he has a manageable contract.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Wow, I guess I'm the only one who doesn't like that from Phoenix's perspective. Boozer would be a one-year rental for the Suns. He can't stay healthy, has an attitude problem, and doesn't play much defense -- exactly like another PF the Suns already have and probably don't want to extend. So the trade would be basically Barbosa for Brewer, which seems like a pretty big downgrade to me.

I like the trade from this perspective. Boozer is a one year rental and will be playing balls out for a new contract. He provides the interior defense and rebounding Amare doesn't supply. ANd he could line up at PF with Amare at Center and I think right there that is a Top 5 team in the West.

Brewer would also bring some much needed defense to the perimeter and would be an ideal back up for Richardson. SO we forsake offense (which we have in spades) for Brewers length and D.

Then we can blow it all up next offseason or choose to sign one or the other (Boozer and Amare) based on the season.

At this point I am hoping for the best season possible this next year with an eye to rebuilding for 2010 or 2011.

 

[Covert Rain]

I like the trade from this perspective. Boozer is a one year rental and will be playing balls out for a new contract. He provides the interior defense and rebounding Amare doesn't supply. ANd he could line up at PF with Amare at Center and I think right there that is a Top 5 team in the West.

Brewer would also bring some much needed defense to the perimeter and would be an ideal back up for Richardson. SO we forsake offense (which we have in spades) for Brewers length and D.

Then we can blow it all up next offseason or choose to sign one or the other (Boozer and Amare) based on the season.

At this point I am hoping for the best season possible this next year with an eye to rebuilding for 2010 or 2011.

Except....Boozer had a horrible season last year from a defensive perspective. They say he has lost a step which I think is true because of the injuries. He was allowing 22.5 points from the PF position (per 48) which was worse then Amare's defense. There was a reason that Utah had one of the worst defensive FC in all of basketball last year.

So that would put the Suns into a scenario where you have two offensive minded FC players and at any given time would disappear completely on the defensive end. Can you say layup drills?