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I'm sure he wasn't but I wonder if that was always the case. I didn't read the book but I do recall he was bitter and disheartened over the way he had been treated. Even the salve of finally allowing him to join the NBA (but only on an expansion franchise in a far off desert town) wasn't enough to fully motivate him.

He was simply incredible at times but even as a teenager watching him play I thought it was obvious that "winning" wasn't always the end all be all for him. But maybe I was influenced by the comments I heard from so many adult fans back then?
I think you're right, and also I think we have no idea of how badly his knees were after all those years in the ABA on cement courts. Heck, I watched a doc last night on the "Life and Times of the ABA" and they even played on an icy court one night
 

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All of this stuff. I remember all of it.

Ronnie Lee and the Floor Score.
The Needle Alvin Scott.
The toy truck rolling out onto the floor when Truck Robinson was introduced for the first time.
Don Buse
How Dennis Awtry had a job, I will never know.
 

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All of this stuff. I remember all of it.

Ronnie Lee and the Floor Score.
The Needle Alvin Scott.
The toy truck rolling out onto the floor when Truck Robinson was introduced for the first time.
Don Buse
How Dennis Awtry had a job, I will never know.

If you had seen Dale Schlueter try to man the center spot for us you'd understand why Dennis Awtrey had a job.
 

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If you had seen Dale Schlueter try to man the center spot for us you'd understand why Dennis Awtrey had a job.

Was it ever worse than the Joe Klein & Danny Schayes combo in the 90's? Say what you will about the deal to get him here but Hot Rod was a real upgrade to that dynamic duo.
 

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Was it ever worse than the Joe Klein & Danny Schayes combo in the 90's? Say what you will about the deal to get him here but Hot Rod was a real upgrade to that dynamic duo.

We've had some horrible center units through the years and yeah, that one was close to the worst. But I happen to think that any unit with Dale in it moves into the lead. Fortunately we had our 210 pound Alvan Adams to save the day.
 
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If you had seen Dale Schlueter try to man the center spot for us you'd understand why Dennis Awtrey had a job.
Schleuter was a key example of how the Suns always made bad deals based on one season---Schleuter had a good season with someone (NJ?) where he played some of the big guys very tough. But not real plan on how to put all the pieces together---the big exception of course was the Nash teams, where the players were specifically selected for the style of play.

But take Barkley for example: he was basically added to a good existing team. The style of play did not change all that much. The Suns of 78-80 with Adams and Walter Davis had a style, but it wasn't workable. It was small ball that just got bullied by the big, thick teams.
 

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Schleuter was a key example of how the Suns always made bad deals based on one season---Schleuter had a good season with someone (NJ?) where he played some of the big guys very tough. But not real plan on how to put all the pieces together---the big exception of course was the Nash teams, where the players were specifically selected for the style of play.

But take Barkley for example: he was basically added to a good existing team. The style of play did not change all that much. The Suns of 78-80 with Adams and Walter Davis had a style, but it wasn't workable. It was small ball that just got bullied by the big, thick teams.

I noticed you spelled Dale's name differently than I did and I wondered if my memory was wrong on it. So I checked Basketball Reference and was surprised to see that Dale passed away 7 years ago. 68 at the time, another player with ties to Portland from the 70's and 80's that died far too young. It was probably his best year in Portland that drew our interest although he played for Philadelphia, Atlanta and Buffalo in between the Blazers and his stint with us.

For some reason I thought he was a younger player at the time than he was. Sitting court-side for one game in 77, I remember watching him during the pre-pre game stuff where he was fooling around with a troop of Scouts and he didn't look too out of place with them other than his height. He looked like just a big goofy kid although some of those Cub Scouts were more coordinated than he was.
 

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Lots of memories here. The Hawk will always be my favorite Sun. The year they had the Lakers down 3-1 (I think his first year with the Suns) only to lose the series (Wilt and West woke up) was amazing. My first "Suns mania" time, really my first home team mania time because they were the only game in town.

Good times.
 
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