Murray may not run at Pro Day Today (3/13)

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  1. splitsecond

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    The voice of reason! I would be fine taking him with a lower pick and keeping both he and Rosen on the roster. That would actually be a dream scenario. But we can't risk that #1. We never get it and certainly don't want to see it again next year.
     
  2. Ouchie-Z-Clown

    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    So none of the Oklahoma players were remeasured for height at the pro day. That eliminates that whole charade of a “concern” for me. He did what everyone else did.

    The sole criticism is not running the 40. It’s not a good look, but I take it with a grain of salt considering that’s not exactly part of his game under scrutiny.
     
  3. Ouchie-Z-Clown

    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    True but you can see that he ran for 1,001 yards at 7 yards a clip. I don’t think anyone is going to question his ability to pick up yards with his legs or extend plays. You’re surely not going to argue that, are you? That you don’t think he’ll be effective hoofin’ it?
     
  4. Ouchie-Z-Clown

    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    Hey BW52, what do you think about Kyler Murray?





    Sheesh
     
  5. Ouchie-Z-Clown

    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    If he’s good everyone will be onboard. If he’s not everyone will kill him and the cardinals organization. If he’s middle of the road the Murray threads will be a weekly thing that legends are made of . . .
     
  6. Shane

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    Do any of the other Oklahoma players have any controversy around them in reference to their height?
     
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    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    For a kings ransom I’m interested.
     
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    I don’t think there’s any “controversy.” He was measured in front of everyone and came in at a short 5’10. He’s short. We know it. Okay. No else remeasured, let it go.
     
  9. LoyaltyisaCurse

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    4+24+27?
     
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    Why should he run the 40? As a QB. A QB who has clearly proven that he is a dynamic dual threat who can make a whole defense miss and accelerate from 0 to 100 almost within a yard. To get a perfect 40 time, you actually need lots of preparation. It's indeed a different science. Some of the most gifted athletes in football didn't run a very good 40. I'm sure Murray's 10 yard split would be amazing, while his short stature would possibly hurt his 40. Not that he will ever have to run 40 yards on a straight line in an actual game.

    The preparation time to get your perfect 40 yard dash down is probably too much for a QB who everybody would expect to crush the speed record for QBs. Proving that he can deliver passes from a sound platform simuNot even talking about the injury risk, as you often see athletes pull their hammy during the 40.

    If you can't judge the tape, nobody can help you. I haven't seen many QBs, even dedicated scramblers who couldn't throw at all, that could make people miss like Murray has done. His acceleration and shiftiness are off the charts for the QB position. Once he accelerates past the LOS you can't blink with your eye and he is gone. This will also help to open up the passing lanes he needs. We've seen it first-hand with Russell Wilson for years.

    The question is if the Cardinals indeed go all-in on Murray. The case can be made that Rosen + Bosa are the better choice. I just hate when people talk crap about Murray just because they don't want the Cards to draft him. Bosa can turn into a 100 sack guy over the next decade for us, but that's nothing against a legit franchise QB who has very special playmaking ability.
     
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    May I remind you of the year 2003
    The Cardinals had pick 10 and they traded it for picks 17 AND 18

    The Ravens got
    Terrell Suggs with pick 10

    The Cardinals got
    Bryant Johnson pick 17
    Calvin Pace pick 18

    15 years later the Cards are still looking at that trade in the face

    Always remember wherever your team is picking is where they should be picking.

    Cardinals should be picking first and taking whomever their guy is and don't look back. More does not mean better...remember the Suggs trade
     
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    They can still get Q. Williams at 4. I think he is better pick than Bosa.
     
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    I’ll say this:


    I’ve always been a huge Kyler Murray fan. I have followed his debut at Allen High School playing perennial football powerhouse Southlake Carroll his Sophomore year. He didn’t start, but he rotated in & out during a 2 QB system. I know the Texas boards were really eager to see more of this kid as time passed on. It wasn’t until Allen’s loss(last regular season loss btw) against Coppell High School that Kyler was named the starter from here on out. Once he was named the starter, he never looked back. Allen High ripped off undefeated season after undefeated season & championship after championship, including comebacks against Dallas, Texas powerhouse, DeSoto, TWICE in 2013 & 2014. Capped off with more Kyler Murray heroics against Skyline high school in 2014, coming back from 17 in the 2nd half while winning the game by 17(I think). Honestly, he’s arguably the best high school football player I ever seen.

    He goes on to A&M, but things don’t work out there between Kevin Sumlin & Kyler’s dad. Hence, the transfer to OU.

    Not shocked, Kyler has an amazing season & wins the Heisman. The kid has been a superstar since the days I have watched him.

    However, I don’t think it’s a guarantee he will become a stud in the NFL. There’s questions I have about him still. Height isn’t one of them. For example, how will he fare in a environment where doesn’t have all these advantages:

    Allen holds damn near 6K students. That’s a big pool of talent to pull from. I would say DeSoto High was the only school that had the same type & amount of athletes that Allen did, & continue to have.

    Outside of Texas, Oklahoma’s talent is always head & shoulders above everyone in the Big 12. TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma State have their years, but it’s not common. Again, he has walked into a situation where the supporting cast supercedes most of the opposition.

    Even though I’m still high on Rosen, I would not mind the pick of Kyler. Just know that a DLine of DeForest Buckner, Dee Ford, & Nick Bosa or Quinnen Williams will cause us hell for a bit. I also think the “Kyler fits in Kingsbury’s system better than Rosen” is idiotic because we don’t even know what the hell kind of NFL system he’ll run.

    If Kyler is the pick, so be it. Maybe it’ll be worth it in the end, maybe it’ll be disastrous. I think he has what it takes, but it’s not always a guarantee....
     
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    Best post I've seen on the Murray situation.
     

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