Miller once again does it again!

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    Right if he got money then he should never have been cleared. And of course the obvious argument to make here is do we really believe that Little, Bowen and Ayton were all being paid or offered to be paid by Adidas to go somewhere, and yet all 3 were going to choose to go to Arizona instead, for free? Occams Razor suggests if Adidas was really paying these kids, and they chose someone else, they probably got offered the same or more from that school as well.

    But of course that's conjecture not proof. And so far at least I'm not aware of Gassnola saying we were paying him to go to Kansas but Nike paid him to go to Arizona instead.

    But it certainly could mean Ayton was ineligible, it already appears Alkins was, and from the Yahoo story awhile back it appears Lauri was probably ineligible too so you can argue if the NCAA really wants to go that route they could vacate 2 full years for Arizona.
     
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    why in the world do they put even Gassnola said they tried to keep it quiet? Of course they did, nobody advertises these payments to kids if they did the kids would all be ruled ineligible and the shoe companies are all public companies creating phony invoices to explain away the money they're paying.

    I assume that was Scheer that wrote that?
     
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    He's a prosecution witness combating the defense's claim that the schools were in on it. He said that they kept it secret from the schools.
     
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    Adidas must have been PO’d when Ayton didn’t choose Kansas. I guess we have to pretend Ayton never played for Arizona just like Reggie Bush never played for USC.
     
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    He said he personally met with Self and told him we're here to help you with recruiting. I don't think that's keeping it secret from the schools.
     
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    Right now it sounds more like Adidas and Kansas than Arizona but again, does anybody really believe players kept turning down money from other sources and picking Arizona for free? Possible, sure, plausible, no, likely no.

    I think the big thing is Ayton's lawyer publicly said he told the FBI under oath he never took money, if that's not true, he lied to the FBI. Again I doubt they really care I don't think the players are the target here, but it is interesting if true. Bowen Sr admitted yesterday he lied to the FBI twice and tried to hide details from them by destroying a phone.
     
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    Didn't take long for someone to top Bowen Sr for being completely without conscience.

    TJ Gassnola from a Yahoo story.

    "A guilty plea on conspiracy charges is just the start. Gassnola acknowledged on the stand that he’s defrauded people by passing sham checks, used the charitable foundation attached to his AAU program to pay himself, failed to pay taxes for years, cheated on loan applications and operated unethically in the real estate and car business, among other travails. It took the government 15 minutes to explain all his scams and schemes to the jury in an effort to take the heat off when the defense brings it all up and blisters him later for being an unreliable lout."

    Apparently the meeting with Self was 2014 and it's going to be the centerpiece of tomorrow's testimony. They need to get him to clarify what he meant by "we're here to help you" and then they need to clarify if Kansas and Self had the same concept of what it meant. Depending on when it was it was either the 14 class of Cliff Alexander and Kelly Oubre, or the 15 class with Bragg and Diallo. He also met with coaches at UCLA, Louisville and miami not clear what year. but Alford was hired in 13 so its' almost assuredly Alford that he met with.

    If Gassnola sounds familiar he worked with the Adidas backed AAU program the New England Playaz which has been in trouble with the NCAA multiple times.

    Here's a story from 2006 detailing what a bad guy Gassnola is. Among other things he apparently had been driving without a valid license from 1993 to 2006.


    https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/...ip-recruits/2LoRNAv71WTWsBUmHI2zzL/story.html
     
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    Ayton’s dad may be in trouble if he lied to the FBI. I’m not sure how they can prove where Deandre knew or didn’t know. The worst thing that will happen to him is like I said being blackballed from the Arizona record books; stats, awards, possible getting inducted into the ring of honor etc... He’s in the NBA and a millionaire now so I doubt it would have a life changing affect on him.
     
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    Well DeAndre himself said he told the FBI he'd never done it so if that's true, and if he had taken money from Adidas then it's lying to the FBI. If you mean he didn't know and his dad or family had done it I guess that's different yes. I don't think the FBI is targeting the kids so I doubt Ayton would have much to worry about. I think we learned that in the Mayo case where the feds declined to pursue anything against him including the IRS when it was obvious he'd received thousands in cash and gifts and paid no taxes on it. There was apparently a brief blurb on CNBC about the case where people discussed potential SEC violations if the shoe companies were passing off fraudulent invoices to cover these payments.
     
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    Even if Ayton knew his family received money from Adidas, all he has to say is he did not know. The FBI is going after the shoe companies. Sean Miller should not even be mentioned in this because there is no evidence that he knew. The NCAA can't do anything to the UofA and I doubt the FBI will do anything to Ayton or his family.
     
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    I agree but if he knew and lied to the FBI I find that interesting. I just can't imagine at any age lying to the FBI, especially to protect the type of people involved. The claim is they paid 15K to a family friend fo Ayton's because Gassnola says they felt sorry for how poor the family was and wanted to build a relationship with Ayton and Adidas. he played one tournament for Adidas and then moved on to Nike. THe guy they paid was Larnelle Johnson who is allegedly the guy who discovered Ayton at a camp when he was 12 years old and helped broker a deal forhim to move to San Diego. So he's not actually Ayton's family which probably helps Ayton in regards to the payment and his eligibility. If that's the only money that changed hands I would expect Ayton would be fine, he can clearly argue he's not family, he took the money on his own, you can see that I only played 1 tourney for Adidas so clearly that money didn't have any strings attached etc.

    The Billy Preston stuff is getting funny. His mom apparently tried to cover wired money she got from Gassnola by lying to Kansas and saying she and Gassnola were having an intimate relationship. his mom of course is rather well known and outspoken as being gay, she said it was one of the main reasons he eventually left his HS and AAU team in So Cal, that he'd been bullied and teased for years about his 2 moms and they decided it was time to get him into a better situation. KU must have paid attention to that they apparently didn't believe her story and suspended him. This was after his car accident in a car his mom had bought with money from Gassnola, and then registered the car in her moms name. She said when the mom died they gave the car to Billy, KU questioned it then found the wire transfers and suspended him.
     
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    Gassnola said today that they were offering 150 K To Naz Little's AAU coach because Arizona and Nike were offering that much .But so far no details on how he knew or if he could prove it.
     
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    Schlabach sweating more than Miller vs Wichita St.
     
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    Open season now on Schlabach and ESPN. There’s this, too:

     

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