MCU: Spider-Man 3: No Way Home

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Cheese, it was a Sony production correct? So it was a Sony story with a Sony chosen director?

I've never heard that Feige controls everything about Spider-Man and frankly I don't see how he could over the Sony productions, but you are obviously better informed than me. While he does deserve respect for facilitating the reintroduction of the character, I wouldn't ascribe too much credit to him. Spider-Man is the most popular Marvel character by far and no one needs to try very hard to generate interest.

My original point is in my opinion, No Way Home made more money than the other 3 put together because it was a good story well executed that respects the fans. And the fans responded. Ergo, it stands to reason the opposite is also correct in regards to the other 3 (and the D+ Marvel series to boot).

Or to put it another way and more to your point, if Feige is the genius money maker why did No Way Home make more money than Black Widow, Shang Chi, and Eternals combined where he had infinitely more input and control?
That’s kind of a no brainer. More people go to the movies now than they were during all 3 of the earlier movies. Especially Black Widow.

And business doesn’t ultimately determine how good a movie is. Shawshank made nothing at the box office while the Transformers movers are some of the biggest moneymakers ever.
 

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Cheese, it was a Sony production correct? So it was a Sony story with a Sony chosen director?

I've never heard that Feige controls everything about Spider-Man and frankly I don't see how he could over the Sony productions, but you are obviously better informed than me. While he does deserve respect for facilitating the reintroduction of the character, I wouldn't ascribe too much credit to him. Spider-Man is the most popular Marvel character by far and no one needs to try very hard to generate interest.

My original point is in my opinion, No Way Home made more money than the other 3 put together because it was a good story well executed that respects the fans. And the fans responded. Ergo, it stands to reason the opposite is also correct in regards to the other 3 (and the D+ Marvel series to boot).

Or to put it another way and more to your point, if Feige is the genius money maker why did No Way Home make more money than Black Widow, Shang Chi, and Eternals combined where he had infinitely more input and control?
Dude, you’re wrong. Accept what people who work in the industry say. And you wouldn’t give much credit to Feige? Did you see the two Sony Andrew Garfield Spider-Man movies? They were terrible and made a boatload less money and those movies killed an entire Spider-Man universe Sony was stupidly creating, with a terrible sounding Sinister Six movie, a Black Cat movie and a bunch of others that never came to fruition because the second Andrew Garfield Spider-Man movie bombed at only 202 domestic.

And Spider-Man No Way Home made more money than Shang-Chi and Eternals because the lay person has no clue who those superheroes are. Made more than Black Widow because that movie was like leftover stale bread telling a story PRE-Avengers. And like Chap said, there are much more people going to the movies again right now.

Oh, also, maybe because it had ALL THREE SPIDERMEN and ALL OF THE BIGGEST SPIDEY VILLAINS on screen for the first time ever. It was basically an Avengers-sized event. Come on. Those are silly questions.
 

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I believe you're actually making my point, though I doubt you'll see it that way.

I said my piece, and you disagree. That's cool.
 

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I believe you're actually making my point, though I doubt you'll see it that way.

I said my piece, and you disagree. That's cool.

No. You’re just wrong, Wayward. And there are verifiable facts/statements/other movies that show that.

remember that this version of Spider-Man debuted IN CIVIL-WAR. A movie that Sony was ZERO PART IN. So his entire origin came thru Feige first. Casting, Aunt May. Establishing Tony as Mentor.

Then tHere’s a bunch of articles about Feige having creative control for Spider-Man. Hell, here’s Feige just flat out SAYING Marvel had creative control wayyyy back before Homecoming even came out:


“They really are supportive in allowing us to make the creative decisions to make [Spider-Man: Homecoming]”

Here’s another article stating Feige had creative control over Spidey on his first solo film:


Here’s an article where everyone gives Feige credit for basically coming up with the entire idea for No Way Home.


It’s okay to just admit you’re wrong and that maybe the people in the industry who eat, sleep, drink and breathe this stuff while also knowing people involved in a lot of these production might be right.
 
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Cheese, it was a Sony production correct? So it was a Sony story with a Sony chosen director?

I've never heard that Feige controls everything about Spider-Man and frankly I don't see how he could over the Sony productions, but you are obviously better informed than me. While he does deserve respect for facilitating the reintroduction of the character, I wouldn't ascribe too much credit to him. Spider-Man is the most popular Marvel character by far and no one needs to try very hard to generate interest.

My original point is in my opinion, No Way Home made more money than the other 3 put together because it was a good story well executed that respects the fans. And the fans responded. Ergo, it stands to reason the opposite is also correct in regards to the other 3 (and the D+ Marvel series to boot).

Or to put it another way and more to your point, if Feige is the genius money maker why did No Way Home make more money than Black Widow, Shang Chi, and Eternals combined where he had infinitely more input and control?
Maybe for the very same reason you have for spidey’s success . . . very few non-comic book geeks know who Shang Chi or the eternals are and see widow as a bit player (not to mention . . . dead with no future) in the MCU. I was frankly shocked (though pleased) they even made Shang chi and the eternals. I expected them to be complete bombs just due to lack of recognition.
 

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Maybe for the very same reason you have for spidey’s success . . . very few non-comic book geeks know who Shang Chi or the eternals are and see widow as a bit player (not to mention . . . dead with no future) in the MCU. I was frankly shocked (though pleased) they even made Shang chi and the eternals. I expected them to be complete bombs just due to lack of recognition.
That said, to me a good movie is a good movie. If Feige had all the control that’s where the credit is due. Sony should be credited with recognizing that was the right to go.

Excited for marvel to get X-men back.
 

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This was flat out fantastic. I don’t think there’s anything I found fault with.
 

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Could have been a little shorter. My 5 year old was getting antsy by the end of it. First live action movie we have taken him to. We really liked it though.
 

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Maybe for the very same reason you have for spidey’s success . . . very few non-comic book geeks know who Shang Chi or the eternals are and see widow as a bit player (not to mention . . . dead with no future) in the MCU. I was frankly shocked (though pleased) they even made Shang chi and the eternals. I expected them to be complete bombs just due to lack of recognition.
And Shang-Chi not only wasn’t a bomb, it was such a surprising success that it in essence saved movies from being pushed back yet another year. With the middling Box Office returns of the summer, all the talk was that Bond, Venom, Ghostbusters, Eternals and others were going to get pushed on down into 2022. But Shang-Chi was such a success that they pulled Venom UP a week and all of those movies stuck. Moving up a week for a huge tent pole is practically unheard of.

And the fact that Eternals, a total fringe comic book group, in a movie that got generally mixed to terrible reviews still made 170 million stateside (just as much as F9 and much more than Craig’s Final Bond) says everything about how incredible the machine Feige has put together.
 

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I liked the movie. I saw it on Christmas day. First time I ever went to a movie on Christmas. I have questions on why Peter Parker was poor prior to the end when iron man left him access to Stark Industries. No salary?
 

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And Shang-Chi not only wasn’t a bomb, it was such a surprising success that it in essence saved movies from being pushed back yet another year. With the middling Box Office returns of the summer, all the talk was that Bond, Venom, Ghostbusters, Eternals and others were going to get pushed on down into 2022. But Shang-Chi was such a success that they pulled Venom UP a week and all of those movies stuck. Moving up a week for a huge tent pole is practically unheard of.

And the fact that Eternals, a total fringe comic book group, in a movie that got generally mixed to terrible reviews still made 170 million stateside (just as much as F9 and much more than Craig’s Final Bond) says everything about how incredible the machine Feige has put together.
IMO, that would have been the death of movie theaters
 

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It was awesome, certainly the best Marvel movie since Endgame. It's now earned more than Black Widow, Shang-Chi, and Eternals combined. It had some faults, but Sony did MCU better than Disney has been doing. Hopefully Disney will learn some lessons, but I doubt they will.
Sony didn’t make this movie. Sony is just distributing. Marvel and Feige have had full creatinine control since this iteration of Spider-Man was introduced. The last Sony movie was Amazing Spider-Man 2. Nothing goes through production at Marvel without Feige’s input and involvement.
 

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Sony didn’t make this movie. Sony is just distributing. Marvel and Feige have had full creatinine control since this iteration of Spider-Man was introduced. The last Sony movie was Amazing Spider-Man 2. Nothing goes through production at Marvel without Feige’s input and involvement.
Dude... you don’t want to go there.
 
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This was flat out fantastic. I don’t think there’s anything I found fault with.
100%. I just saw it now that it's on streaming platforms. My expectations were to like it but it far exceeded that, it may even be my favorite superhero movie now. It's certainly up there with The Dark Knight in terms of stand alone comic book movies imo.

I absolutely loved how they were able to bring in and even fix the the disappointing conclusions of the previous 2 Spiderman franchises, as well as how the movie finished with Spiderman on his own. I only wish there was a bit better set up for their meme references.


I only glanced at some of the Sony debate and reference to Shang Chi/Eternals and it doesn't look like something I really want to get into. I will just say as someone who knew nothing of those comics I felt Shang Chi was really good and the Eternals(and Black Widow) were hot garbage.
 

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Just watched this last night. Think the first End Credits scene is a plot hole. The whole basis of coming into the MCU is that the person “knew” Spider-man. The Tom Hardy Venom character never knew Spider-man. He even says so in the scene. So how did he get pulled over?

A Venom could have been in this scene, but not this Venom.
 
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