ive confered with the other judges - it's gonna be a no go on the mwilly moniker
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its a combination.
Kyler has ALWAYS had trust issues with his WR's and needs to see them open before he throws the ball in most cases...Hop was the only guy he really trusted to come down with it no matter what.
I think part of the issue, was Petzing schemed Marv into these back shoulder passes to get Kyler comfortable with the idea of throwing to Marv while he is covered...because its in the route design.
Murray has never been a good on schedule passer...thats one of his biggest flaws and part of the reason they have been trying to keep him in the pocket throwing on time...he has to learn it if he plans to progress. Guys just dont stay open very long in the NFL...so when you wait to see them open the coverage collapses before the pass gets there.you gotta throw it before they break.
Kyler has gotten better at it but its obvious he still doesn't trust it.
Marv is at his best when the ball comes out on schedule.
with all the talk this off season about scrambling and off schedule plays I am concerned that the staff has given up on the idea of Kyler being a legitimate pocket passing QB.
The joystick QB stuff is exciting...but a clear path to failure in the long run.
agree...its MikeWilly
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I get all that but early in the year I refuse to believe the issue on backshoulder throws was Kyler, it was Marv. I see absolutely no reason to think the rookie was doing the right thing and Kyler wasn't, an in fact they told us that Marv was struggling to get on the same page as Kyler which was a polite way of saying he's not reading the plays correctly so he's not where Kyler is throwing the ball on the back shoulder plays. That got better.
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Totally_Red
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I vote for Willy.
GatorAZ
feed hopkins
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
Kyler would have thrown the post and got mad that Moss ran the post/corner
kerouac9
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+1 head shake on the way to the sideline
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
Yeah...I have not seen anything over Kyler's career that gives me utmost confidence he is making all of the correct reads. Dude is not a timing and rhythm passer. Even McBride has shared that he doesn't run precise routes because he learned that Kyler wants him adjust to where Kyler wants him to go based on what Kyler is seeing. Very similar to how Fitz struggled with Kyler.
I tell ya in all honesty though.
If you and me were picking teams down at the park for the annual Thanksgiving mud bowl...I would pick Kyler Murray over any QB in the NFL.
Dude is an absolutely amazing sandlot football player.
get Kyler out there with two WR's fast enough to scare the defense...and watch him run for 10 TD's and throw for 2
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You're not "wrong"
I think you're leaving out a lot of context.
My original post was that he averaged almost 100 yards w/KYLER in 2022. He averaged 96 YPG (if we toss out the Pats game where Kyler played 3 plays)
2022 he was instantly the bright spot with that horrible season. AJ was washed, Rondale wasnt ready/heathy and Brown was out/not as good as we hoped. Hopkins was productive with McCoy. Shut it down when the season was clearly cooked, but Kyler's passer rating went from being in the 80s to closer to 100 when hopkins was on the field.
*this counts the Pats game he was hurt on the 1st drive*
Hopkins games with Kyler would have put him at 3rd in the NFL. His overall YPG would put him at 10th. The suspension really hurt that season.
2021 While yes Hopkins wasnt dominant his impact on the offense was huge.
2020 Hopkins was 5th in YPG
A true #1 WR was a huge influence on Kyler Murray. It sucks Hopkins didnt stay on the field but his impact was obvious.
And that's a major part of the problem
He's a sandlot guy and not a polished NFL QB
DC's will game plan against him and they have a lot of info to shut him down and frustrate him
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
Not too many YAC there
TJ
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At this point, you just want to see him get those contested catches. He really struggled with those last season. The YAC will come. Remember, Fitz struggled with YAC to begin his career.
funny how every single NFL catch is a "Highlight reel catch" in training camp.
That catch is expected..and should be made. especially in a game.
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That was never a strength of Marv coming out.
What about m’willy?
Ohhhh.....you did not just call another man MmmmmmmWilly....
Chopper0080
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Kyler in December form here but it’s MHJs fault.
I heard one of the radio guys this morning talking about how at times he felt "out muscled" by opposing players or something to that effect. I hope this makes a difference.
The last throw he waited so long the defenders were all over MHJ
Lol at December form
TJ
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Which one? The check down to Higgins with MHJ wide open outside, or the off target pass? Both are Kyler specials
kerouac9
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Yes
TJ
Totally Jamming is my name
Season 7, baby!!! Wooooooo!
