"Like tomorrow has already happened and there is nothing you can do about it", Draft Day

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Not with this GM!
Folks love to hate on keim. Okay.
But we spent all the BA years hearing, " Cardinals decisions " and it was made abundantly clear the GM, Owner,and coach all have say in who is drafted.
Then a short look at history shows that what separates an average GM from a great GM is maybe two draft classes.
Remember we had that 2 year stretch where we drafted Q, Larry, Dansby, and D90.... a stretch like that would sit keim firmly in the " very good GM" category...

Then you have to consider what you would replace him with. Another in house promotion?
If not, who has experience and is available?
Mike Mayock?

I don't see many "Good" nfl GM's sitting around waiting for a job offer.
 

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Folks love to hate on keim. Okay.
But we spent all the BA years hearing, " Cardinals decisions " and it was made abundantly clear the GM, Owner,and coach all have say in who is drafted.
Then a short look at history shows that what separates an average GM from a great GM is maybe two draft classes.
Remember we had that 2 year stretch where we drafted Q, Larry, Dansby, and D90.... a stretch like that would sit keim firmly in the " very good GM" category...

Then you have to consider what you would replace him with. Another in house promotion?
If not, who has experience and is available?
Mike Mayock?

I don't see many "Good" nfl GM's sitting around waiting for a job offer.
He has given us A LOT to hate on.

That two year stretch wasn't Keim. If he had that kind of a run, we wouldn't be so bad. Most of the time, he can't land A SINGLE PICK in the entire draft.
 
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This. Just because you really like someone doesn't mean you draft them a round early. You either trade back in round 1 or you trade up in round 2.
Just like Byron Murphy. Supposedly Keim had a top 5 grade on him. If we had a top 5 pick, do you really think Murphy was worthy of that? No. He was a 2nd rounder for a reason.
For the most part in theory yes, but you are forgetting one important thing, you have not seen the Cards big board or any other team. I would wager there are some huge differences on how teams view players and what we are left to judge by because you have 32 teams which the best qualified people are looking (and they do not like to share their board with the others, hint if you really like a guy you just might want to take him) while the rest are the ones which did not make the cut for a reason making a top list of who's who which we are privy to view. The only thing we have to go off of is our own opinion, friends and the media... and before anyone says the media is loaded with professionals to give a great consensus, ask Mike Mayock how his GM stint went
 

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He has given us A LOT to hate on.

That two year stretch wasn't Keim. If he had that kind of a run, we wouldn't be so bad. Most of the time, he can't land A SINGLE PICK in the entire draft.
Yeah...that stretch was Graves and green.
But that's my point...a great draft or two good ones changes the narrative.
Or does it?
You say he never hits a single pick....
Yet he drafted nearly our entire defense, and some of those guys are pretty good.
Kyler, Hump, Edmonds, David Johnson....

He has only really failed to pick truly dominant players....those future HoF type guys, 6 time all pro kinda guys.

I think much of the hate for the guy is due to the head scratchers..... like picking AI when DK Metcalf was on the board.
But honestly for most cards fans it doesn't matter what he does. They gonna hate on the dude anyway.
 

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Yeah...that stretch was Graves and green.
But that's my point...a great draft or two good ones changes the narrative.
Or does it?
You say he never hits a single pick....
Yet he drafted nearly our entire defense, and some of those guys are pretty good.
Kyler, Hump, Edmonds, David Johnson....

He has only really failed to pick truly dominant players....those future HoF type guys, 6 time all pro kinda guys.

I think much of the hate for the guy is due to the head scratchers..... like picking AI when DK Metcalf was on the board.
But honestly for most cards fans it doesn't matter what he does. They gonna hate on the dude anyway.
It doesn't. One great draft for Keim would be an anomaly. If he has more than one, then we can talk.
 

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ISTR a lot of people ragging on Larry his rookie year. He didn’t really blow up till year 2.
That makes me feel even worse, lol.
 

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As Cardinal fans we can already see it happening, Keim is going to draft the wrong guy when it's so obvious to us the perennial Pro Bowler which is still on the board along with 'his guy'. As Buford says in the movie "Gettysburg", "tomorrow has already happened and there is nothing you can do about it". Adrian Peterson, DJ Metcalf, take your pick on the missed opportunities. I say it's going to be Zion Johnson this year. Don't ask me who we will take instead because how do you expect me to predict something which defies logic. So, who is your guy, that obvious pick on a silver platter which Keim will ignore when we are on the clock... the round does not matter, just name who we might not capitalize on while the getting's good
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That is the best scene, save for the "fix bayonets" scene, in the whole damn movie. Then again, there's the "general, I HAVE no division" scene. Damn, what a movie.
 
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Yeah...that stretch was Graves and green.
But that's my point...a great draft or two good ones changes the narrative.
Or does it?
You say he never hits a single pick....
Yet he drafted nearly our entire defense, and some of those guys are pretty good.
Kyler, Hump, Edmonds, David Johnson....

He has only really failed to pick truly dominant players....those future HoF type guys, 6 time all pro kinda guys.

I think much of the hate for the guy is due to the head scratchers..... like picking AI when DK Metcalf was on the board.
But honestly for most cards fans it doesn't matter what he does. They gonna hate on the dude anyway.

DK wasn't on a lot of people's boards because he was considered a workout warrior, all Tarzan type, that wasn't good at routes, or didn't have great hands if I remember correctly. More like David Boston with all muscle. I'm probably wrong & misremembering & will get flamed for it because everybody knew he was going to be all pro except for Keim etc. lol.
 
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That is the best scene, save for the "fix bayonets" scene, in the whole damn movie. Then again, there's the "general, I HAVE no division" scene. Damn, what a movie.
Yes, Pickett's response to General Lee after his ill-fated charge up Cemetery Ridge :raccoon:
 

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Yeah...that stretch was Graves and green.
But that's my point...a great draft or two good ones changes the narrative.
Or does it?
You say he never hits a single pick....
Yet he drafted nearly our entire defense, and some of those guys are pretty good.
Kyler, Hump, Edmonds, David Johnson....

He has only really failed to pick truly dominant players....those future HoF type guys, 6 time all pro kinda guys.

I think much of the hate for the guy is due to the head scratchers..... like picking AI when DK Metcalf was on the board.
But honestly for most cards fans it doesn't matter what he does. They gonna hate on the dude anyway.

I said this recently.

Fans rag on Keim because of drafting. Yet he's been at the helm of the most wins in a 10 year period ever.

Then they highlight Graves couple of good drafts which largely gave us a bunch of bad seasons.

Wins are the point right?
 

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I said this recently.

Fans rag on Keim because of drafting. Yet he's been at the helm of the most wins in a 10 year period ever.

Then they highlight Graves couple of good drafts which largely gave us a bunch of bad seasons.

Wins are the point right?
Denny Greens drafts propelled us to a super bowl...it seems like most feel that without those types of drafts we will not get there again. They could be right.
but in those years we drafted top 10 nearly every year.
now, we draft around 20 every year. It makes a difference on the calibre of players you have access too.,,, our recent run of early picks get us kyler, simmons, and collins....im not upset at that....although, our DC may well ruin the linebackers..... but many forget how badly we got used by opposing tight ends the years before we got simmons.
 

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Yes, Pickett's response to General Lee after his ill-fated charge up Cemetery Ridge :raccoon:
"General, reform your division."

"General, I HAVE no division!"

A division in the military usually becomes combat ineffective with a 20% casualty rate, regardless of era. Pickett lost NINETY percent of his division. He wasn't lying!
 
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