Let's just get this out of the way: The Official "I Hate Calvin Pace" Thread

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I want to get this out before minicamps and training camps:

I hate Calvin Pace. If he's a solid player in this league, that's great, but I'll still hate him. The Arizona Cardinals have no players, except maybe Big, that anyone in the league is even a little afraid of or has interest in. No one on this team is going to a Pro Bowl unless they have a monster year, and absolutely no one is going to two consecutive ones anytime soon.

The Arizona Cardinals had an opportunity to draft a potential difference-maker with the #6 pick in the 2003 NFL draft. It could have been Byron Leftwich, it could have been Marcus Trufant, it could have been Jimmy Kennedy, it could have been Terrell Suggs. The balked at that opportunity, and gave up far too much to get out of that pick because we were afraid of the risk that a #6 pick presents.

The Arizona Cardinals are a team that won five games in 2003, and tallied 21 sacks, which is two and a half more than Jason Taylor racked up. They were 27th in the league in scoring, and 29th in the league in defense. Neither of the players they drafted in the first round projects into the starting lineup. None of the players they drafted in the first three rounds projects into the starting lineup.

I hate the choice of Calvin Pace, and I'm not certain he's happy to be wearing red. I hope I'm wrong, and he's Michael Strahan. I just don't think so.
 

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Repeat:

For someone named kerouac, I think you're maybe a little too caught up in hype, headlines and the national spotlight.
 

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Originally posted by kerouac9
I want to get this out before minicamps and training camps:

I hate Calvin Pace. If he's a solid player in this league, that's great, but I'll still hate him. The Arizona Cardinals have no players, except maybe Big, that anyone in the league is even a little afraid of or has interest in. No one on this team is going to a Pro Bowl unless they have a monster year, and absolutely no one is going to two consecutive ones anytime soon.

The Arizona Cardinals had an opportunity to draft a potential difference-maker with the #6 pick in the 2003 NFL draft. It could have been Byron Leftwich, it could have been Marcus Trufant, it could have been Jimmy Kennedy, it could have been Terrell Suggs. The balked at that opportunity, and gave up far too much to get out of that pick because we were afraid of the risk that a #6 pick presents.

The Arizona Cardinals are a team that won five games in 2003, and tallied 21 sacks, which is two and a half more than Jason Taylor racked up. They were 27th in the league in scoring, and 29th in the league in defense. Neither of the players they drafted in the first round projects into the starting lineup. None of the players they drafted in the first three rounds projects into the starting lineup.

I hate the choice of Calvin Pace, and I'm not certain he's happy to be wearing red. I hope I'm wrong, and he's Michael Strahan. I just don't think so.


Seems like you hate the idea of the trade down to me. None of the mentione dplayers were available at #17 or #18 so it is like comparing apples to oranges.

If you hate Pace BECAUSE you would have rather the Cardinals NOT trade down and grab one of the other players I can understand and do agree. If you hate Pace as a player I would like to know why and what other players you would have taken at #18 instead?

Thanks!
 

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Gosh, will this hate involve hoping for his injury? Will you boo him when he trots on the field?

Why is Calvin Pace the object of your scorn? What was he supposed to do – tell the Cardinals “no thanks” when they picked him?

Dude – if you feel compelled to hate anyone, direct it at Rod Graves – who is actually responsible. This is incredibly immature.
 

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This is ********.

Why don't you just get a custom, red jersey and put Vick's name on the back? Maybe that would make you feel better.
 

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I didnt like the trade!

But Pace is starting to grow onme I think he will have some impact this year and will probably turn into a solid player!
 

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Originally posted by kerouac9
I want to get this out before minicamps and training camps:

I hate Calvin Pace. If he's a solid player in this league, that's great, but I'll still hate him. The Arizona Cardinals have no players, except maybe Big, that anyone in the league is even a little afraid of or has interest in. No one on this team is going to a Pro Bowl unless they have a monster year, and absolutely no one is going to two consecutive ones anytime soon.

The Arizona Cardinals had an opportunity to draft a potential difference-maker with the #6 pick in the 2003 NFL draft. It could have been Byron Leftwich, it could have been Marcus Trufant, it could have been Jimmy Kennedy, it could have been Terrell Suggs. The balked at that opportunity, and gave up far too much to get out of that pick because we were afraid of the risk that a #6 pick presents.

The Arizona Cardinals are a team that won five games in 2003, and tallied 21 sacks, which is two and a half more than Jason Taylor racked up. They were 27th in the league in scoring, and 29th in the league in defense. Neither of the players they drafted in the first round projects into the starting lineup. None of the players they drafted in the first three rounds projects into the starting lineup.

I hate the choice of Calvin Pace, and I'm not certain he's happy to be wearing red. I hope I'm wrong, and he's Michael Strahan. I just don't think so.

you sir, are ridiculous. It is completely unfair to put a 22 year old kid in such a big hole. It must be hard enough to make it in this league without people saying you stink before you even report to mini camp!

as a fan, your main duty is to SUPPORT YOUR TEAM. if you don't like the pick say it. if you think the cards front office is stupid say it. but then drop it and get behind your team, ok? don't go on and on about how you hate the kid. Don't make such a big production about it.

:mad:
 

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What's Your Criteria for hating Pace?

Have you ever seen him play?

Are you 100% sure that he will suck as an NFL player?

Can you give me the name of the expert who will convince me that I should hate Pace?

That's what I thought.
 

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Originally posted by Shane H
I didnt like the trade!

But Pace is starting to grow onme I think he will have some impact this year and will probably turn into a solid player!

I liked the idea of the trade although didn't care for the terms.

Having said that, after getting over my initial disappointment, it has been interesting getting input from LVCARDFREAK (since he actually watches WF games) and what he has said he softened my disappointment. I still question the move and for that I leave my displeasure for Graves. But more and more, I am thinking Pace isn't the 100lb weakling everyone thinks he is.

My expectations are not going to be high early on but I think (hope) he can be a solid player.
 

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And the award for most childish and pathetic post of 2003 goes too....

kerouac9.

You hate Calvin Pace? The poor guy hasn't even taken a freekin practice snap yet and yet so far his pro career consists of:

1- Getting ripped on national tv after being picked at #18 in the NFL draft.

2- Everyone riding his ass from local to national media for being picked there. His fault? Yeah right.

3- So called fans like you professing to hate him before he has had a chance to do anything!

If you happen to be the one person he meets here in the valley I'm sure he does hate Arizona. I would also like to change your award nomination from childish to just flat out prick.
 

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Originally posted by kerouac9
I hate Calvin Pace. If he's a solid player in this league, that's great, but I'll still hate him.

Hahahahaha! Are you kidding me?

That would be like me saying "I hate kerouac9. Even if he gives me a million dollars, I'll still hate him."

or

"I hate Marcel Shipp. Even if he breaks Emmitt Smith's rushing record and takes the Cardinals to the Super Bowl, I'll still hate him."

:eek:
 

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If kerouac9 is representative or in the majority of how people think in Mesa and/or Arizona then Simeon Rice is correct....it's not only the armpit of the NFL....it's the armpit of the World.
 

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Ok, I think we all realize that you mean you hate the concept of Calvin Pace by what he represents in terms of the organization and their perceived fear of commitment to winning.


But, unfortunately, it's still ********.
 

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How can you blame the guy for getting drafted by us? I feel sorry for the guy. I hope he turns out to be an all pro. Hell, I'm glad we got him at all, after the stupid move we made at #6, we needed him more than he needed us.
 

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In kerouac9's defense

He sure is articulate in defending this post and answering all the questions.

:rolleyes:
 

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Lex - time to change your sig....

If we don't draft Terrell Suggs, it'll be a bigger mistake than not drafting Jonathan Ogden or Brian Urlacher.
 

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It is an older article...done during the season last year. Let's try this:

http://wakeforestsports.ocsn.com/genrel/111202aac.html

Gold Rush: Player Spotlight: Calvin Pace


Nov. 12, 2002

By Sam Walker

Calvin Pace says there's no secret to his skills other than perhaps having a high motor. And that's really no secret. The senior defensive end from Douglasville, Ga., has firmly etched his name into the Wake Forest record books having already become the Deacons' career leader in tackles-for-loss. He rose to the top spot in that category with six tackles-for-loss against Duke. And with a two-sack performance in a 31-0 thrashing of North Carolina, Pace moved within two sacks of breaking the school's sack record (32 held by former Deacon and NFL veteran Mike McCrary.

But the fifth-year senior is more than a statistical ladder climber. His high motor has just helped drive him down the road to record-book fame while he and the Deacons have tried to travel the highway to post-season bowl bliss. It's a highway every team begins the season driving but most veer off somewhere along the way. The Deacons have run it over onto the shoulder a few times, but Pace has been there to steer it back on the road, keep it between the lines.

You see, Pace is the stick that stirs the defensive drink in the three-man front Wake Forest uses in a defensive back-dominated scheme. His ability to apply pressure, even when he's double-teamed, blocked additionally by tight ends and fullbacks, and guard and tackle combinations simply glues together a young and improving defense. He makes the defense work game in and game out with his pressure, and it's safe to say that the Deacons' defense would be far more vulnerable without his presence.

Quarterbacks want to look out their ear holes to see if Pace is closing. That was evident as the Deacons dealt North Carolina a shutout, and Pace picked up two more sacks. And the ACC knew he would be coming hard in 2002. Back in August, Pace was named to the Lombardi watch list. A total of 122 down linemen and defensive players who line up within five yards of the ball are eligible for the Lombardi Award. And Pace's play this season has proven he's worthy of being listed among the nation's best.

"It's been a process," Pace said. "Every scheme has its perks, but this one allows us to put a lot of athletes on the field. There's no secret. It's really just preparation. I've been here five years and played against guys consecutive years. But there's no secret. If you have a high motor and want to get to the quarterback, you can do it. You can't get down on yourself. You might not get there in the first quarter, but if you can get there in the fourth quarter when it counts..."

And that, more than anything, is what Pace wants to do: get there when it counts. His ego is small, but the expectations he holds for himself are high. His coaches call him a consummate team player that refuses to use "I" when he is talking Wake Forest football. He wants to help get the Deacons to a bowl game but realizes it's a step-by-step process, earned game by game.

"Sometimes Calvin is amazing when we're just rushing three," Grobe said following Wake's victory over the Tar Heels. And he is amazing.

"There's a lot of kids who are great athletes but are not great football players," defensive line Coach Ray McCartney said. "In Calvin's case, he's very conscientious, prepares very well. He prepares year-round. He's conscientious in studying the game plan; he's good about watching tape of our opponents. He's always on time - always. He's the model student-athlete with a desire to excel. He has a presence and doesn't like to be embarrassed. He prepares so well that he doesn't get surprised very often. The kind of trick plays our opponents run - he's watched them over and over again on video, so he rarely gets fooled. He really likes to be the stick that stirs the drink.

"He has great instincts, and that can't be taught. He has great instincts when it comes to recognition of plays, how to play off blocks, how to make plays, and that's just God-given. Along with that, he's a very intelligent football player. With Calvin, I only have to go over something with him one time, and he gets it. Some of the other guys I have to go over things over and over. Calvin's very in-tune with the game and often makes suggestions."

Pace is the type of player Jim Grobe envisioned playing for his Wake Forest program. The senior began to stand out just about the time Grobe arrived on campus. Last year he accumulated 16 tackles-for-loss and six sacks, which earned him second-team All-ACC honors. After his rampage against Duke this season Pace was named the ACC Defensive Lineman of the Week. But honors really don't seem to motivate Pace. Even the fast approaching school record for sacks seemed to be no more than an afterthought.

"I just wanted to come out, help my team, gets some sacks and if we can get pressure it's going to be a good day for us," Pace said after the North Carolina game. "I just try to go out and play the same way every time. Teams aren't stupid. I think they think I'm a decent pass rusher and I see double teams, but even if I don't get a sack I want to get some pressure on him, force a high throw, get a hand on him. If I don't get the sack my teammate can get it. But I think teams respect me, recognize that I'm out there and have to account for me. I don't think they game plan against me. The guy on the other side is no slouch. But basically, it's me beating the guy (on the other side of me). The record, sure I think about it. But the sacks will come."

And it's that mentality that Pace's coaches eat up. "You know, I couldn't even have gotten into Wake Forest," McCartney said. "When I first came to Wake Forest, Calvin taught me the word nuances and some other words. Calvin said, 'Coach I have some nuances in this and after he told me what nuances meant...' But on game day what I will do is get Calvin Pace, Rod Stephen and Montique Sharpe on the phone from the press box and quiz them. Calvin is usually the guy who will speak up first and say 'coach, we can run this, we can do that'.... and within the next five or six plays we'll run usually what he has suggested because he's so in-tune to what our opponent is doing.

"I've had seven go on to the NFL, and Calvin Pace has a tremendous pride and desire to excel," McCartney said. "That really helps him be a great player. He doesn't take anything for granted. He works his rear end off in everything he does. He never takes a lazy step. He competes in everything he does. We would take all the Calvin Paces we could find. To be frank, when I go recruiting all over this great nation, this is the guy I'm looking for, and I describe what Calvin Pace is all about."

Right now, Pace is all about winning football games. He will likely become the school's all-time leader in sacks against Florida State, a team against which he says he's never had a sack. And the bowl game qualification the Deacons want so badly is just one victory away. The coaching staff expects Pace to take them there, and Pace plans to drive that high motor to go bowling.

"We need Calvin down the stretch to lead us in everything we do defensively," McCartney said. "That responsibility falls on his shoulders as a fifth-year senior."

"You just have to have a high motor," Pace said. "You're not going to beat everybody, but if you can keep your motor going, keep running well, and you'll get there."
 

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I feel sorry for Pace, if anything. He has stepped into a hornet's nest not of his choosing. I'll root harder for him than any other draft pick this year. If he's not a perennial Pro Bowl player, I won't hold it against him if I feel like he's giving his best. He can't help where he was drafted.
 

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Originally posted by Shane H
I didnt like the trade!

Who did, the Saints fleeced us and this has nothing to do with the picks good or bad.
 

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