Legal craziness

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  1. Rivercard

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    The world's most prolific liar suing an organization who has an outstanding reputation for the truth. We live in hell.
     
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    Let the lawsuit go forward! The day after the discovery conference, notice the deposition of the President and put him under oath!
     
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    It is the Trump campaign that is suing, so I assume it would be campaign staff under oath so that teflon Don is protected.
     
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    Nope. You can depose Trump directly because he has knowledge that is relevant to the WaPo's defenses.
     
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    Oh goody.
     
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    Right? Litigation - it's about flipping the tables on your opponent. I'm surprised someone hasn't done this yet. There are limits, sure, but you can really get into the weeds, on tape, with Trump regarding the whole Russia thing.
     
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    Kinda funny...but also kinda backwards?


     
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    That can't be right - all he needs to do is to say the money is his. Boom - standing. Whether it was legally obtained is a separate issue.

    Another reason I hate civil forfeiture.
     
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    Um, he can't do that by executive order. Well, he kinda sorta can't do that.

    What he could do is to remove pot from the list of Schedule I substances through agency rulemaking; that's OK. He could pardon everyone who has been convicted of a federal crime of pot possession. But he couldn't stop states from making pot illegal, nor could he pardon those convicted of state law crimes.

    With an act of Congress, he could legalize marijuana and could preempt state laws. But there's nothing that allows him to pardon state crimes.
     
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    Isn’t it odd that he has the burden of proof in that situation? Is there something unique about it that the government can just demand he proves he owns something?
     
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    Yep. That's why I hate it. I'm a proponent of criminal forfeiture but not civil forfeiture.

    Civil forfeiture is borne out of old common law. The idea is about 400 years old (IIRC), and in reality, it's a legal fiction. I don't think it has a place in our society.
     
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    I'd rather he spend 30 days helping feed the homeless rather than cooling his heels in jail.
     
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    I’m torn between no jail time and public execution.
     
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