Landry Shamet traded to suns for Javon Carter and 29th pick

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Shamet is going to be streaky. He scored in double figures in 27 games this season. In April in a nine game stretch where he had one bad game but did the following:

TOR - 10 points / 4 assists
NO - 18 points / 8 assists
MIA - 30 points / 3 assists
CHA - 20 points / 1 assist
PHI - 17 points / 3 assists
MIN - 19 points / 5 assists
CHI - 13 points / 1 assist
CHA - 17 points / 2 assists

Seriously, how is this not a net win for the Suns over the Nets?
 

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I understand a rookie would likely not see much time in year 1. But if you want to get good players and potential all stars, you pretty much have to draft them - especially when you have 0 cap room for the next 5 years.

I totally get for next year Shamet is probably a good deal. But you can't keep just trading all your draft picks and expect to remain a good team in the long run.

Something to consider Shamet is also a RFA for next season with a price tag of $5,562,072.
 

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I understand a rookie would likely not see much time in year 1. But if you want to get good players and potential all stars, you pretty much have to draft them - especially when you have 0 cap room for the next 5 years.

I totally get for next year Shamet is probably a good deal. But you can't keep just trading all your draft picks and expect to remain a good team in the long run.

Statistically you are extremely lucky to get an impact player at #29 let alone one that sticks on your team after 5 seasons. It's a no brainer IMO to make this trade. It's likely not a long term thing anyway. The Suns are in win now mode. As long as they are in this mode you are likely to see much role player turnover over the next several seasons.
 

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Shamet is going to be streaky. He scored in double figures in 27 games this season. In April in a nine game stretch where he had one bad game but did the following:

TOR - 10 points / 4 assists
NO - 18 points / 8 assists
MIA - 30 points / 3 assists
CHA - 20 points / 1 assist
PHI - 17 points / 3 assists
MIN - 19 points / 5 assists
CHI - 13 points / 1 assist
CHA - 17 points / 2 assists

Seriously, how is this not a net win for the Suns over the Nets?

even if it's not a win over the Nets, it's a net win for the Suns regardless. Great pickup to give Devin a little rest next season. And he's probably gonna need more of it after playing in the Finals and then going directly to the Olympics.
 

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Something to consider Shamet is also a RFA for next season with a price tag of $5,562,072.

that's a pretty cheap 1 year deal for a solid back up SG, if that's what he ends up being.
 

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I'll be honest, runs at titles are very rare for us. I'm in general agreement on the need to develop rookies, but when you're in the position to go for it all, I have no problem trying to go for the short-term boost. Especially when we're talking about a very late first round rookie. If we did this deal for a mid-first rounder, I'd get where you're coming from a little more. But truth is, with Paul's advancing age and deteriorating healthy, next year is really the year, IMO.
Yep. Jones is doing exactly what he needs to do. Paul will be worth considerably less to us after next season, so we either go for it now, or, don't bother with CP3 at all...
 

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I like Shamet, but couldn't the Suns have gotten at least the equivalent at #29 (with all of the combo guard prospects that were available), only younger, cheaper and with more upside, while keeping Carter's salary to match in a trade for some much needed size up front? Again, I have no problem packaging #29 and Carter for a veteran, but I was hoping for a big man or at least a notable upgrade over what was available at #29.

Meanwhile...

1) Is this a signal that Cam Payne (or worse, Chris Paul) isn't returning?

2) What are the Suns going to do to fill their gaping holes in the front court?
 

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No, it's not that. Look I get it that there is like a 5% chance the #29 pick turns into a good player - but that is better than 0%.

The only way to get cheap good players is draft them. You get someone like a Siakam late in the first round and that has a hell of a lot more value than a Shamet who is likely a 1 year regular season player rental.

I understand the odds are not good, but you can't win if you don't play.
So far Jones has drafted:

Cam Johnson (while also picking up Dario Saric trading down) - both contributed throughout the season and in the playoffs
Jalen Smith (who didn't contribute anything)

So not seeing a track record that Jones hates rookies.
 

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Yep. Jones is doing exactly what he needs to do. Paul will worth considerably less to us after next season, so we either go for it now, or, don't bother with CP3 at all...

agreed. this off-season needs to be ALL IN... and not the BS ALL-IN the Cardinals usually try to sell to the fans bringing in the all-pro 2016 squad, while letting their best defensive player walk and filling up gaping holes with one year blunders (mostly at CB outside of Butler) while still having cap space.

if you're gonna give CP3 a massive amount of coin for three years, you better be doing everything you can to maximize profit... and the best way to do that is hosting playoff games and The Finals.
 

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I like Shamet, but couldn't the Suns have gotten at least the equivalent at #29 (with all of the combo guard prospects that were available), only younger, cheaper and with more upside, while keeping Carter's salary to match in a trade for some much needed size up front? Again, I have no problem packaging #29 and Carter for a veteran, but I was hoping for a big man or at least a notable upgrade over what was available at #29.

Meanwhile...

1) Is this a signal that Cam Payne (or worse, Chris Paul) isn't returning?

2) What are the Suns going to do to fill their gaping holes in the front court?

CP3 not returning so we grab Shamet? LOL...
 

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even if it's not a win over the Nets, it's a net win for the Suns regardless. Great pickup to give Devin a little rest next season. And he's probably gonna need more of it after playing in the Finals and then going directly to the Olympics.
Definitely a win for the Suns. Plus, I am not convinced Carter plays heavily into the Nets plans. That team is pretty deep with guys that need the ball to be effective. So they trade for a guy that never left the Suns bench?
 

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No, it's not that. Look I get it that there is like a 5% chance the #29 pick turns into a good player - but that is better than 0%.

The only way to get cheap good players is draft them. You get someone like a Siakam late in the first round and that has a hell of a lot more value than a Shamet who is likely a 1 year regular season player rental.

I understand the odds are not good, but you can't win if you don't play, and I don't see how other than getting Book and Paul more rest in the regular season this move improves our title chances.

If the Suns do not pay Shamet after this coming season it turns into a salary dump. Carter was guaranteed $3,925,000 for the 2022/23 season.
 

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No, it's not that. Look I get it that there is like a 5% chance the #29 pick turns into a good player - but that is better than 0%.

The only way to get cheap good players is draft them. You get someone like a Siakam late in the first round and that has a hell of a lot more value than a Shamet who is likely a 1 year regular season player rental.

I understand the odds are not good, but you can't win if you don't play.

But we are not a lottery team anymore- this team was in the Finals a couple of weeks ago. Roster spots are important, money gets tighter, rotations are harder to crack for new players.

There is no room for a player selected at the end of the first round. Paul, Booker, Bridges, Crowder, Ayton, Cam P, Cam J are the top seven players. Saric is out for the season but takes up a roster spot. Stix takes up a roster spot- that's nine spots taken already, and the Suns still need a backup shooting guard, at least one rotation big and one third-big. Probably another backup point guard, whether it's Moore or someone else.

There just aren't enough roster spots. Bridges and Ayton are about to get extensions, Payne is going to take up the mid-level exception most likely. Backup big will take the other exception. There isn't enough money to pay guaranteed salary for someone to sit on the bench while taking up a roster spot.

I don't understand why you want a guaranteed contract for someone to sit on the bench.
 
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