Landry Shamet traded to suns for Javon Carter and 29th pick

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Well, they were talking on Doug and Wolf this morning about Sarver being prepared to sacrifice re-signing Cam Payne for the cost savings and expressly trying to distinguish it from the Joe Johnson situation solely based on the role each player had with the team.
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Well yes, but I'm not sure how much Monty was involved in acquiring those players. Plus Monty didn't seem to want to play them. We know he wanted Shamet.

If Monty didn't want Carter, they wouldn't have re-signed him to the extension after playing a year for Monty.
 

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Yeah I heard the same segment and it was just speculation.

Maybe the Suns can't resign Payne, we don't know what his number is yet. He's a good rotation player, but he won't break this team if he isn't resigned.

It was speculation based on reporting they had from sources within the organization.
 

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You're not at all concerned with the penny-pinching from the Nash era rearing its ugly head again?

I'll be concerned if it actually happens. I'm not concerned knowing that two of the most clueless mic'd up sports mouthpieces are prattling on about it.

Sarver said clearly that he KNEW that they'd be in luxury tax territory, that it was the cost of pursuing a championship and he was committed. AFAIC, until we see otherwise, that's all we have to go on. Sarver has paid luxury tax 3 times before and it's not like he's lied about this in the past.

As long as we are competing and on an upward trajectory, I expect him to spend (carefully perhaps, but he will spend). If we flatline and start to look like a borderline team (or worse) than I'm sure he'll go right back to his cheaper days.
 

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It's probably a rerun of some other posts but Landry Shamet's three point shooting is impressive.

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Check out the videos I posted on him. His shot is really smooth.
 

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I'll be concerned if it actually happens. I'm not concerned knowing that two of the most clueless mic'd up sports mouthpieces are prattling on about it.

Sarver said clearly that he KNEW that they'd be in luxury tax territory, that it was the cost of pursuing a championship and he was committed. AFAIC, until we see otherwise, that's all we have to go on. Sarver has paid luxury tax 3 times before and it's not like he's lied about this in the past.

As long as we are competing and on an upward trajectory, I expect him to spend (carefully perhaps, but he will spend). If we flatline and start to look like a borderline team (or worse) than I'm sure he'll go right back to his cheaper days.

And yet he sacrificed competitiveness for money in the Nash era when the team was on the cusp of a championship, and there are those, including some on this board, suggesting that this very trade for Shamet was motivated by money/cost savings.

THAT is why I am concerned about this particular bit of history repeating itself.
 

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Yeah I heard the same segment and it was just speculation.

Maybe the Suns can't resign Payne, we don't know what his number is yet. He's a good rotation player, but he won't break this team if he isn't resigned.
I think Payne is a very important re-sign for us but he can ask for more than we can actually pay so it's out of our hands. We have to hope that "our max" and the draw of playing for Monty and this organization are enough to keep him from looking elsewhere too aggressively. But I think we all know, if someone offers him the starter PG spot and/or close to the money that comes with it, we're going to lose him.
 

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I think Payne is a very important re-sign for us but he can ask for more than we can actually pay so it's out of our hands. We have to hope that "our max" and the draw of playing for Monty and this organization are enough to keep him from looking elsewhere too aggressively. But I think we all know, if someone offers him the starter PG spot and/or close to the money that comes with it, we're going to lose him.

They were talking about Sarver not even being willing to pay Payne the $10 million we can unless CP3 agrees to take a pay cut to cover it.
 

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If Monty didn't want Carter, they wouldn't have re-signed him to the extension after playing a year for Monty.
You seriously think Monty didn't sign off on this?

The wailing and gnashing of teeth over Carter is odd. There were plenty of times in the playoffs where we desperately needed PG minutes, and Carter didn't get any time.

That tells you all you need to know about how they feel about Carter.
 

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And yet he sacrificed competitiveness for money in the Nash era when the team was on the cusp of a championship, and there are those, including some on this board, suggesting that this very trade for Shamet was motivated by money/cost savings.

THAT is why I am concerned about this particular bit of history repeating itself.

I've never said that he hasn't hurt this franchise with some of his cost cutting decisions. He has. But that was a different era, financially. The huge TV contract solved a lot of his financial problems. Unless Covid forces the league into difficult financial straits, I expect him to continue to try and build a winner. It makes him richer.
 

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You "think" the have players just as good as Shamet, but the statistics don't back up what you "think".

Shamet has a lethal skill (3 point shooting) and he shoots at a fairly good volume. None of the other guards offer what he does.

And the Suns gave up a fringe player AND a fringe pick for a legit rotation guy.
I "think" I posted "statistics" in this thread showing Galloway and Shamet to be very similar players.
 

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I don't think its a bad trade, just an unnecessary one. I just think the Suns already had guys that were just as good as Shamet so it seemed kind of pointless. I'm disappointed that they still don't have a backup center or a power forward.
Why do you think that? He played 17mpg in the playoffs, while the comparable players played zero. If you think Monty isn't going to use Shamet as a backup to DBook, then I think you are 100% wrong. Monty wasn't confident in anyone being a backup to Book, and now we have someone.

And you know that stats don't tell the whole story.
 
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