Landry Shamet traded to suns for Javon Carter and 29th pick

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I don't like this trade.


RkPlayerFromToGMPPERTS%3PArFTrORB%DRB%TRB%AST%STL%BLK%TOV%USG% OWSDWSWSWS/48 OBPMDBPMBPMVORP
1Langston Galloway20152021445973311.6.523.528.1542.410.16.211.41.60.57.017.17.96.814.6.072-1.0-0.4-1.41.5
2Landry Shamet20192021193465710.0.589.730.1760.96.84.09.10.90.58.215.05.42.78.0.083-1.0-1.1-2.00.0


RkPlayerFromToGGSMPFGFGAFG%3P3PA3P%2P2PA2P%eFG%FTFTAFT%ORBDRBTRBASTSTLBLKTOVPFPTS
1Langston Galloway201520214456221.92.97.3.3981.43.9.3701.53.5.430.4960.91.1.8160.52.02.41.60.70.10.61.68.2
2Landry Shamet201920211936924.13.07.3.4162.15.3.3970.92.0.467.5611.11.3.8340.21.61.81.60.50.20.72.09.2

And my guess is that if you put Carter's numbers up, they will be superior to both...which brings me back to this:

If Galloway and Carter weren't good enough for Monty to play down the stretch, what in the world makes anyone think Shamet will be?
 

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Ultimately this is why it easier to accept the trade for Shamet. Monty trusts him and will play him.

I'm not exactly sure why Carter fell out of favor but he did.

Will Monty still trust him when he replicates what Galloway did? If so, why?
 

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Will Monty still trust him when he replicates what Galloway did? If so, why?

Monty coached Shamet in Philadelphia so he is familiar with him as a player and person. If he wanted him I suspect he will play him much like Payne.
 

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And my guess is that if you put Carter's numbers up, they will be superior to both...which brings me back to this:

If Galloway and Carter weren't good enough for Monty to play down the stretch, what in the world makes anyone think Shamet will be?
He may not be. However, for starters Shamet is the more explosive offense player and his numbers would have put him as the 3rd best 3 point shooter on the team. The Suns in multiple games went cold from three and he can pass.
 

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The last player Monty requested (presumably) worked out pretty well, so it will be interesting if the trend continues.

We got Cam Payne off the scrap heap for nothing while we were a lottery team, as opposed to giving up a first round pick and our only tradable salary spot coming off an appearance in the NBA finals. Big difference in terms of risk.

If Monty wanted to bring in Shamet as a reclamation project by signing him as a street free agent for next to nothing, I would be all for it.
 

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Are we so spoiled that we’re whining over trading the #29 pick and a DNP-CD player for a solid rotation guard? Size will be addressed in FA. Confident of that. My only concern is the development of Stix.
Good post. Agree with all of it. Shamet allows us to sit book and Paul at the same time, thus keeping them in the court at the same time, which maximizes their effectiveness. He’s also insurance for a book injury or a stint when book is in foul trouble (like game 4).

there are enough defensive bigs available in FA this year that I’m confident we’ll walk away with one. And it’s a big if, but stix can give us any minutes this year it will be a big plus.
 

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We got Cam Payne off the scrap heap for nothing while we were a lottery team, as opposed to giving up a first round pick and our only tradable salary spot coming off an appearance in the NBA finals. Big difference in terms of risk.

If Monty wanted to bring in Shamet as a reclamation project by signing him as a street free agent for next to nothing, I would be all for it.
The 29th pick is much closer to the scrap heap than it is to being a valued first round pick. Your idea of "big difference" is sadly laughable. It's a nothing difference, neither the pick nor the tradable salary slot are all that important.
 

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He may not be. However, for starters Shamet is the more explosive offense player and his numbers would have put him as the 3rd best 3 point shooter on the team. The Suns in multiple games went cold from three and he can pass.

Not just that but he takes a decent number of 3 pointers too in addition to being decently efficient. You need your perimeter players to make their 3s but they need to be willing to take them too.
 

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It's probably a rerun of some other posts but Landry Shamet's three point shooting is impressive.

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Good post. Agree with all of it. Shamet allows us to sit book and Paul at the same time, thus keeping them in the court at the same time, which maximizes their effectiveness. He’s also insurance for a book injury or a stint when book is in foul trouble (like game 4).

there are enough defensive bigs available in FA this year that I’m confident we’ll walk away with one. And it’s a big if, but stix can give us any minutes this year it will be a big plus.

I don't think its a bad trade, just an unnecessary one. I just think the Suns already had guys that were just as good as Shamet so it seemed kind of pointless. I'm disappointed that they still don't have a backup center or a power forward.
 

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That's just silly. Yes Sarver did say he knew they'd have to pay luxury tax to compete for a championship and they were willing to do it, he didn't say he was going to just throw money away without weighing the benefits against the cost. Carter isn't going to be the difference for us in winning anything, Shamet probably isn't either but we'll see.

Well, they were talking on Doug and Wolf this morning about Sarver being prepared to sacrifice re-signing Cam Payne for the cost savings and expressly trying to distinguish it from the Joe Johnson situation solely based on the role each player had with the team.
 

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I don't think its a bad trade, just an unnecessary one. I just think the Suns already had guys that were just as good as Shamet so it seemed kind of pointless. I'm disappointed that they still don't have a backup center or a power forward.
You "think" the have players just as good as Shamet, but the statistics don't back up what you "think".

Shamet has a lethal skill (3 point shooting) and he shoots at a fairly good volume. None of the other guards offer what he does.

And the Suns gave up a fringe player AND a fringe pick for a legit rotation guy.
 
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