Kyler Murray stats vs Ravens

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  1. Chopper0080

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    I watch that and see a guy who needs to step up into a pretty good pocket.

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    I thought they held up well. They aren't a top 10 group and didn't play like one. They played like a league average offensive line protecting a rookie QB.

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    Based upon how bad Murray was beat its probably a sack if he steps up in the pocket there. Murray's depth kinda gave him a shot imo. The pat kills it.

    However, if anything instead of stepping up in the pocket he probably should slide to his left a little bit and that would have given him the time needed.
     
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    The other day I read/saw somewhere (on here - espn? - somewhere) that K2 had 60 snaps during preseason games. They were comparing the number of snaps that different qb's had taken. He had quite a few more than a lot of the ones in the chart, but I can't remember who the other qb's were?
     
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    He had lots of snaps but they didn't practice the actual offense or design proper protection.
     
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    Crimson Warrior Dangerous Murray Zealot

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    SoonerLou, so you're an OU fan (obviously).

    Who is your 2nd favorite college team sir (i.e. who else do you root for)? Missouri maybe? Notre Dame? One of the Pac 12 schools like USC?
     
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    Krangthebrain Captain of Team Murray

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    Murray is making a ton of mistakes, like EVERY rookie QB does.

    But that means his potential is scary good. Hes already a decent QB with limited starts in college.
     
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    I've been pleasantly surprised by the offensive line.

    Most of the pressure Murray is seeing seems the be on 5+ man rushes.

    Sean Kugler and JR Sweezy (of all people) have improved this line.
     
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    The only big things I would like to see him progress with is his movement in the pocket(specifically moving up as his drops seem deep) and utilizing his mobility to punish teams for playing man-coverage. I think those are two areas where he could both help his offensive line and help his wide receivers (and himself) immensely. If edge rushers have to worry more about contain and teams have to play more zone, it will really help our offense.
     
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    I would agree. It is a group with very little top end talent that has been playing at a league average level.
     
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    Well the guards and centers have maybe been playing average - against the pass. They are poor run blockers however.

    The tackles are below average, a good speed rusher consistently beats both.
     
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    Good speed rusher beat lots of dudes when you have a QB who doesn't move well in the pocket and you throw 45 times per game. This isn't Madden and college where quality pass rushers get eliminated from games. You throw enough times, players are going to give up sacks.

    Also, not being able to run the ball vs teams who are very good against the run and you are trailing the entire game is not an indicator of your ability to run block.
     
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    The problem is that I don't see a lot of teams playing man coverage. a lot of five and six in the box are enough to discourage Murray from trying to move up or get outside. Our WRs are running side to side and opponents are getting good exchanges often.

    The reason why Murray and Fitz are connecting on these 20-30 yard passes is because when the protection holds up, there's no one in those middle zones.
     
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    I am not going off of just the last game. I have watched our lineman closely in slow motion the last few years, and I can say with confidence Pugh and Shipley are bad run blockers. Humphries is actually usually a better run blocker than pass blocker and is overall adequate at run blocking. I am not familiar enough with Sweezy or Murray yet.

    Here is the PFF grades for the last game.

    LT D.J. Humphries: 51.2 (65.0 PB, 41.7 RB)

    LG Justin Pugh: 68.7 (78.5 PB, 60.0 RB)

    C A. Q. Shipley: 52.3 (57.2 PB, 47.3 RB)

    RG J. R. Sweezy: 59.3 (78.5 PB, 46.7 RB)

    RT Justin Murray: 41.1 (37.6 PB, 53.5 RB)

    I am surprised Pugh did this well, this is the best PFF grades I have ever seen for him. Overall these are not grades to be proud of though.
     
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    Crimson Warrior Dangerous Murray Zealot

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    Nice work sir.

    The analysis is bolstered by our very poor rushing numbers vs. BAL, and, by the fact that, IMO, Murray was under duress on most of his pass attempts.

    Hopefully, the line will play better at home, against a less talented CAR front seven. I think they will.
     

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