Kyler Murray in 5 Years

Discussion in 'Arizona Cardinals' started by TJ, May 22, 2019.

Where will Kyler Rank in 5 Years?

  1. Top-5 All-Pro Caliber QB

    29.5%
  2. Top-10 With one or two Pro Bowls

    42.9%
  3. Top-20 Average Starting QB

    7.6%
  4. Journeyman Backup

    6.7%
  5. Mega Bust - Out of the League

    13.3%
  1. Solar7

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    Actually, Wilson started off his career with a Pro Bowl tackle and Center. His line was very solid. It's only the past few years that it's been awful.

    And I'll say Doug Baldwin was reasonably on par with Hilton.
     
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    That line has never been solid. Back then they had two good starters, and Okung wasnt even that great, while Unger was pretty good.

    Hilton is better than Baldwin.
     
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    Fine man, whatever, I'm not gonna keep arguing with you over this one. You think Wilson's the best thing ever, and Kyler's gonna be better, I don't, this isn't going anywhere.
     
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    ok, nothing to add, if u see even Baldwin comparable to Tj Hilton
     
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    Haha. it's pretty obvious that Solar7 is way too emotionally invested in Murray failing isn't PACardsFan? :) I feel bad for him. Truly.

    However, he did manage to make one salient point, and that is that Murray can expect to lose maybe nine or ten games this year.

    And his reaction to that, along with reading NFL defenses, are a couple of the "unknowns", the variables in this situation. A little scary. :)
     
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    Hilton vs Baldwin

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    I'm not saying you're completely wrong, just that Baldwin is no slouch. Keep in mind, T.Y. Hilton had 156 more targets with one less year of play than Baldwin, so the stats don't quite match up, given that Russell just doesn't have to throw as much as the Colts do. Much better defense.
     
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    Wilson actually had an average line his first two seasons. Better than Luck was dealt with up until last year.

    Luck also never had a top RB like Marshawn to take the pressure off as well.

    He has, but Luck is starting to gain back steam after injury & I think he’ll win the big one with the right cast around him now.
     
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    Look, i've got no dog in this Rosen vs Murray fight. Not sure why if i mention his name i lose credibility here. Besides, i watch as many Cardinals games as any of you fans. It's on my television every week.

    Rosen's character was publicly questioned after being drafted. I heard the noise, everyone heard it. Once he was thrown into the fire and faced losing, getting beat up, taking hits, not making plays etc...i waited for that questionable "character" to appear. Waited for the finger pointing, the excuses etc and they never came(at least publicly).

    Claiming he unraveled as the season progressed could be said of just about any member of that horrid offense. I watched the same games as you did and he looked terrible surrounded by terrible in a terrible system.

    You don't want a QB who mentally handles losing?
    Losing games, getting sacked, taking hits, throwing INT's is QB adversity. How players respond from adversity is very important. Not sure if you were serious with that statement.

    Murray may have ice in his veins and handle all that stuff quite well. Then again he might not. He hasn't faced any to this point so we don't know.
     
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    foresee a throphy doesn't mean he will get one, instaed Wilson won a superbowl and a conference title
    or is a point of view too rational?
     
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    Baldwin was a decent to good receiver most if his career.

    Hilton is definitely a better player though.
     
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    WTF is your problem?
     
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    We're going around in circles on stuff where we're never going to change each others' mind.
     
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    You take anyone's position and keep going to extremes.

    For example: You think Wilson is the best thing ever.

    Where did I say that? I said Wilson would go #1 overall if the draft was done over. That doesnt mean I think "Wilson is the best thing ever". It means I would take him over Luck.

    It's a bad debate tactic and belies a weakness in your argument.

    Luck is a great player, but his injury history is his undoing at the present time. He takes big hits even though he runs less than Wilson.

    And even though a lot of it can be attributed to team success, Wilson has been more successful. Will this change over time? It may, especially with the current trends of the teams. I think the Colts are an up trending team while Seahawks are down trending.
     
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    Another factor to consider about Wilson is that his play elevated Lynch's play and vice versa. Having the threat of a QB who can run helps the overall running game.

    The most underrated trait of Wilson is how turnover adverse hes been. He just doesnt turnover the ball often, so his defense isnt put in rough spots.
     
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