Kyler Murray in 5 Years

Discussion in 'Arizona Cardinals' started by TJ, May 22, 2019.

Where will Kyler Rank in 5 Years?

  1. Top-5 All-Pro Caliber QB

    29.5%
  2. Top-10 With one or two Pro Bowls

    42.9%
  3. Top-20 Average Starting QB

    7.6%
  4. Journeyman Backup

    6.7%
  5. Mega Bust - Out of the League

    13.3%
  1. Yuma

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    I look at NE. Many of Brady's passes are short quick passes that go for a lot of YAC. From what I am reading this will be part of the Air Raid offense. I also watched a lot of the Pistol at UNR, especially when Kaepernick was there, and the offense was spread like that, and they set a bunch of rushing records while there because when they did run, there was a lot of space for the running backs to roam. Essentially both offenses beat you up with the pass, then make a read to go run, and end up ripping off long runs. I know a lot is made of the passing in the Air Raid, I am eager to see David Johnson get to run in open space. It will happen, and lets see how well the other team tackles when it does.
     
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    Looks pretty compelling to me. Luck and his injury prone career so far also makes this a slam dunk for me comparison wise. But that's jmo.
     
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    Krangthebrain Captain of Team Murray

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    NJ just throws stuff out there sometimes with no basis in reality.

    It's like a spider monkey flinging feces.

    In Luck's defense, the Colts have bee a disaster most of his tenure there, but you cant argue results.
     
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    Solar7 Also Skeptical

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    Wilson's played 112 games to 86 for Luck, so spare me whoever has the higher stack of numbers, because it's not a fair comparison. Show me the averages.

    Luck: 2.15 TDs Per Game
    Wilson: 1.89 TDs Per Game

    Luck Passing Yards Per Game: 275
    Wilson: 229

    Luck is also simply asked to do more to keep them in the game, thus attempts per game:
    Luck: 38
    Wilson: 29

    Luck has to work much harder with less talent to keep them in games. Russ is undoubtedly talented, but without Andrew Luck, that Colts team is useless.

    Luck Win %: 62%
    Wilson Win %: 67%

    Damn close for two teams where Luck has to do a whole hell of a lot more with less.

    Not to mention, when it comes to rushing, despite having played 26 less games than Wilson, Luck's only two TDs behind in rushing.
     
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    Krangthebrain Captain of Team Murray

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    No. Murray is a freaking unicorn.
     
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    OK...and I won't cherry pick stats. I'll just put them out there:

    Andrew Luck
    Games-86
    W/L-53-33-0
    Attempts-3290
    Completions-2000
    %-60.8
    Yards-23671(4 seasons of 4,000+ yards)
    TD-171
    INT-83
    Ave. YPG-275.2
    And he missed most of 1 season as well as the entire 2017 season.

    Russell Wilson
    Games-112
    W/L-75-36-1
    Attempts-3261
    Completions-2095
    %-64.2
    Yards-25624
    TD-196
    INT-63
    YPG-228

    Wilson has played in 26 more games and yet has 29 less attempts and only 95 more completions and 50 YPG less meaning a lot of his passes are short to midrange passes. Also, Luck never had a Lynch to run the ball and never had a defense to back him up. As I said, Wilson isn't a bad QB but to say he's better than Luck is laughable. You put flip them both and Seattle wins at least 2 more Super Bowls. Luck also threw for 4500 yards after missing an entire season with a shoulder injury that nearly ended his career.
     
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    With Luck the Colts are 53-33 and average 10 wins a season(removing his injury plagued 2015 season). Without him they went 4-12 in a full season. But watch, Solar, some troll might accuse you of flinging feces.
     
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    I dunno if Krang is talking about Wilson or Murray here, but Wilson definitely would have been an elite prospect if he were of prototypical size. He completed more than 70% of his passes at Whisky and started three seasons.

    There’s a weird disconnect between the opinions about Murray on the board and among most national writers. I can’t explain why Murray wasn’t really considered a top prospect until basically Kingsbury was hired — and maybe not even then. I feel like Murray was an oddball until basically the Combine, and then people started writing these weird stories about how he was going number one, but then kind of shrugging about it.

    IMO, if Murray was full size, he’d have been a consensus top pick — a better prospect than Darnold or Baker. If he’d had another season as a starter with similar production , he would be one of the best prospects of all time.
     
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    Ummm.......... F T drafted 3rd round 1961,
    Murray is like the subject of a fish story. The one in which the fish gets bigger with every telling.
     
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    Marshawn Lynch and Legion of Boom.
     
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    If by that you mean people suggesting he is shorter every time than I agree. Not sure how anyone came to the conclusion that Murray is 4" shorter than Mayfield when their measurements are available to do a simple search for.
     
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    This poll is a butt whoopin
     
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    Oh, Wilson was a part of that too but he's 3rd in that list.
     

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