Kyler Murray has been working out since Jan

[Zeem_Freeze]

What a hot mess of a thread.

Im never throwing a ball again, I’m just going bench press and play video games until I turn into a top 10 QB in the world because that’s apparently all Kyler does.

In 2 weeks I’ll check in and let you know what teams want me at training camp. I should have 32 options.

 

[HomerPimpson]

For those wondering, this guy has the beer.

 

[BritCard]

What a hot mess of a thread.

Im never throwing a ball again, I’m just going bench press and play video games until I turn into a top 10 QB in the world because that’s apparently all Kyler does.

In 2 weeks I’ll check in and let you know what teams want me at training camp. I should have 32 options.

Again this isn't the argument at hand.

Nobody (well not me) is saying that Kyler doesn't work hard or that all he does bench press and play video games. In fact I haven't mentioned video games once. It gets tiring when people keep reframing the argument to what they want it to be.

What I have said is that I would like to see Kyler working with a QB coach in the offseason. That's my opinion for ALL young QB's in the offseason. There is not enough time in OTA's alone to work on mechanics or spend hours in the film room studying tape to help diagnose defenses. If you want to improve in those areas you need to work on them in the offseason and I don't think you can successfully do it on your own, you need a coach.

I don't know why this is such a big deal. Who WOULDN'T want want their QB working with a coach to get better in the off season? We have come to expect it of wide receivers. We expect guys like Isabella and Keesean to be working on their technique with specialists and to turn up at camp already improved. Why not QB's?

Do you expect Isabella to turn up at camp and say "I'm fit as a mule coach. I've been in the gym every day, but I haven't worked on my technique with anyone. I'm going to that here"?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Warner was on the radio today poo pooing the QB coach in the off season. Most great QBs never had one. They figure it out what works for them to improve in the off season

 

[QuebecCard]

Personally I hate the fact that BritCard thinks the French are vastly superior to Brits. I mean, I’ve never seen him state anything contrary to that, so it must be right.

Yes, and he has my support.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yes, and he has my support.

Lol. I love ASFN.

 

[Cheesebeef]

so, this get settled, amicably and without insults yet?

 

[Krangodnzr]

so, this get settled, amicably and without insults yet?

DORK!

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I don’t care how much he benches. Staying fit is obviously important, but I want to know how he’s improving his reads and stepping up in the pocket. Things like that...

There is no possible way to know those things in the offseason. Even if he posted tweets talking about or showing him working on those things that doesn't mean it will translate to Sundays. We'll have to wait and see when the games start for that.

 

[Ronin]

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[CardsSunsDbacks]

Criticism of things that are tangible and measurable is valid criticism.

Assumptions about work ethic during the off season is biased criticism.

As to the source of your bias? It can be anything from regional, to age, to your personal experience, or yes even race / religion / politics. Bias comes from anywhere within your life.

As to the lack of progression compared to other QBs who have come out recently, I would encourage you to check that compared to 1 year college starters.

I would also point out that Kyler was already a very good rookie. Sure Josh Allen had a big jump both from year 1 to year 2 and year 2 to year 3, but Josh Allen was bad as a rookie and still wasn't as good of a passer in his 2nd year as a rookie Kyler Murray. In other words he left himself a ton of room for improvement. Josh Allen wasn't a legitimately good QB until year 3, let's see what KM does in year 3.

 

[QuebecCard]

Again this isn't the argument at hand.

Nobody (well not me) is saying that Kyler doesn't work hard or that all he does bench press and play video games. In fact I haven't mentioned video games once. It gets tiring when people keep reframing the argument to what they want it to be.

What I have said is that I would like to see Kyler working with a QB coach in the offseason. That's my opinion for ALL young QB's in the offseason. There is not enough time in OTA's alone to work on mechanics or spend hours in the film room studying tape to help diagnose defenses. If you want to improve in those areas you need to work on them in the offseason and I don't think you can successfully do it on your own, you need a coach.

I don't know why this is such a big deal. Who WOULDN'T want want their QB working with a coach to get better in the off season? We have come to expect it of wide receivers. We expect guys like Isabella and Keesean to be working on their technique with specialists and to turn up at camp already improved. Why not QB's?

Do you expect Isabella to turn up at camp and say "I'm fit as a mule coach. I've been in the gym every day, but I haven't worked on my technique with anyone. I'm going to that here"?

The team has a QB coach promoted by KK

If, as some believe, Keim and KK's jobs are on the line - why would they go cheap on a QB coach?

 

[Buckybird]

I know how your views are regarding this topic.

I think you would be better off just not responding.

You mean how I’ve been a fan of Kyler & loved the kid since his HS days here & someone wants to spread crap like this on a post. Gimmie a break you don’t know a damn thing about me. And I’ll respond to whatever I choose to respond too

 

[kerouac9]

I would also point out that Kyler was already a very good rookie. Sure Josh Allen had a big jump both from year 1 to year 2 and year 2 to year 3, but Josh Allen was bad as a rookie and still wasn't as good of a passer in his 2nd year as a rookie Kyler Murray. In other words he left himself a ton of room for improvement. Josh Allen wasn't a legitimately good QB until year 3, let's see what KM does in year 3.

He was a below average passer as a rookie and as a second year player. That’s why there’s strum and drang about him committing to the little things. It’s come from Kurt, Kliff, and Wolfley for those who are listening.

 

[Cheesebeef]

DORK!

lol

 

[Krangodnzr]

He was a below average passer as a rookie and as a second year player. That’s why there’s strum and drang about him committing to the little things. It’s come from Kurt, Kliff, and Wolfley for those who are listening.

Lots of room for growth.

I think we should be encouraged by the growth we've seen, but discouraged a bit by his failures so far.

Murray can be a really good QB. I think he can be a top 5 QB, but it's going to take a big step forward for him to do that.

 

[SoonerLou]

I would also point out that Kyler was already a very good rookie. Sure Josh Allen had a big jump both from year 1 to year 2 and year 2 to year 3, but Josh Allen was bad as a rookie and still wasn't as good of a passer in his 2nd year as a rookie Kyler Murray. In other words he left himself a ton of room for improvement. Josh Allen wasn't a legitimately good QB until year 3, let's see what KM does in year 3.

The fear of average (I think he's an above average passer on the eye test, but whatever.) is strong. Leaves franchises in limbo for years.

I sometimes wonder if it would have been better if Kyler was Josh Rosen level bad his rookie year. Not meant to sting anybody, but people were willing to be patient with him. Wanted to pass up Kyler.

So in some ways, if he was just flat out awful to start his career it'd be easier to see his progress.

 

[Jersey Girl]

He needs to be more mature and not comment on these sorts of things.

The work will be seen in the results

He's 23. Cut him a break.

 

[Jersey Girl]

This place, lol! Love some of the posts in here.

 

[BritCard]

I would also point out that Kyler was already a very good rookie. Sure Josh Allen had a big jump both from year 1 to year 2 and year 2 to year 3, but Josh Allen was bad as a rookie and still wasn't as good of a passer in his 2nd year as a rookie Kyler Murray. In other words he left himself a ton of room for improvement. Josh Allen wasn't a legitimately good QB until year 3, let's see what KM does in year 3.

Looks at Kylers rookie stats....Then looks at Justin Herberts rookie stats

Joe Burrow would have outperformed Kyler's rookie season had he stayed healthy. He was on track for 4300 yards and 21 TD's.

Gardner Minshew had a better statistical rookie year had he played all 16 games instead of starting 12.

Baker Mayfield had a better rookie year and he did it in 13 games.

Deshaun Watson had a better rookie year.

Dak Prescott had a better rookie year.

Hell, even Jalen Hurts 4 games played in a garbage Philly team would have outstripped Kyler had he played a full season at the same rate. 4244 yards and 24 TD's.

He had a very average rookie year. On par with someone like Carson Wentz but below many guys we consider to be top QB's in the league. And his second year was only slightly better.


Kyler is supremely talented which is why it's frustrating that he isn't making the most of it. I expected at least Deshaun Watson things from him thus far, but instead got less than Carson Wentz (who had 33 passing TDs in year 2 and a 101.9 passer rating).

Before the "don't disrespect my QB" pile on's begin. I want Kyler to succeed. I like him as a person and a player. But we are lying to ourselves if we say he has lived up to his potential so far. For the #1 overall pick he has been distinctly average.

Maybe it's Kliff? It wouldn't surprise me. But either way let's not fool ourselves that as a passer he's been great.

 

[Zeem_Freeze]

He had a very average rookie year. On par with someone like Carson Wentz but below many guys we consider to be top QB's in the league. And his second year was only slightly better.

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such an average rookie year that they gave him the rookie of the year award and then he follows it up with a pro bowl in year 2.

context matters to everyone but you, pretty much all those QBs walked into scenarios with a better team. our 2018 offense was historically bad, you seriously need to go back 30+ years to find a worse offense. Why am I still in this thread? it makes me want to puke.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

such an average rookie year that they gave him the rookie of the year award and then he follows it up with a pro bowl in year 2.

context matters to everyone but you, pretty much all those QBs walked into scenarios with a better team. our 2018 offense was historically bad, you seriously need to go back 30+ years to find a worse offense. Why am I still in this thread? it makes me want to puke.

I’m on the kyler is good side of the equation, but you’re missing the argument if that’s your rebuttal. They’re speaking solely about kyler solely as a passer and not generally as a QB where his running helped elevate him to ROTY and pro bowl status.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I’m on the kyler is good side of the equation, but you’re missing the argument if that’s your rebuttal. They’re speaking solely about kyler solely as a passer and not generally as a QB where his running helped elevate him to ROTY and pro bowl status.

Yep, he's a good QB, but middle of the pack passer.

If he could have a significant improvement on passes from 10-19 yards, he could take a big step forward.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I’m on the kyler is good side of the equation, but you’re missing the argument if that’s your rebuttal. They’re speaking solely about kyler solely as a passer and not generally as a QB where his running helped elevate him to ROTY and pro bowl status.

TBF Kyler wasn't special as a runner in his rookie season. A vast majority of him winning rookie of the year was due to his passing. Running obviously became a big part of his success in year 2, though he was still a better passer in year 2 than year 1.