Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[Covert Rain]

Kyler is the type of player on a deep team that could likely come in and do some damage. We have seen "mid" QB's be serviceable enough on really really talented teams be just enough. Kyler is never going to be that phenom player who will lead your team to the promised land. He is not and never will be a QB to transform your franchise. We have a large enough sample size.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

has murray had a substantial contact injury

There was the infamous lowering-of-the-shoulder injury vs. MIA in 2020.

Pretty much the only time in his NFL career that Murray tried to truck somebody, but he busted up his shoulder doing so.

My boy gets nicked up pretty easy I'm afraid.

 

[daves]

Hope I am wrong but I think since his knee injury he has lost his mojo. Playing scared.

He seems to have lost his mojo in the Green Bay game in 2021, not with the knee injury.

There are a lot of conflating factors, but since the ACL tear, he's recovered to a bit better than his pre-injury state, but nowhere near his pre-GB level. Leaving out his rookie season when he was just learning how to play in the NFL:

2020-GB 2021 (23 gms): 15-8, 69.0%, 2.53 TD:Int, 1.9 pass TD/gm, 7.8 y/a, 100.7 rating, 1.9 sacks/gm, 7.7 rushes for 41 y/gm
GB '21-NE '22 (18 gms): 5-13, 66.0%, 1.75 TD:Int, 1.2 pass TD/gm, 6.4 y/a, 86.9 rating, 2.2 sacks/gm, 6.2 rushes for 40 y/gm
2023 - 2025 (30 gms): 13-17, 67.8%, 1.95 TD:Int, 1.2 pass TD/gm, 6.8 y/a, 91.6 rating, 2.1 sacks/gm, 5 rushes for 33 y/gm

Maybe that GB game, ending his 7-0 streak, showed the league something about how to defend him??

 

[daves]

My boy gets nicked up pretty easy I'm afraid.

... and stays out longer than expected every time.

 

[Ronin]

Monti Ossenfort says when Kyler Murray is healthy, he will be out there for the Arizona Cardinals

Monti Ossenfort joined Wolf & Luke for his bi-weekly segment to discuss the Arizona Cardinals upcoming game against the Green Bay Packers.

arizonasports.com

 

[b8rtm8nn]

He seems to have lost his mojo in the Green Bay game in 2021, not with the knee injury.

There are a lot of conflating factors, but since the ACL tear, he's recovered to a bit better than his pre-injury state, but nowhere near his pre-GB level. Leaving out his rookie season when he was just learning how to play in the NFL:

2020-GB 2021 (23 gms): 15-8, 69.0%, 2.53 TD:Int, 1.9 pass TD/gm, 7.8 y/a, 100.7 rating, 1.9 sacks/gm, 7.7 rushes for 41 y/gm
GB '21-NE '22 (18 gms): 5-13, 66.0%, 1.75 TD:Int, 1.2 pass TD/gm, 6.4 y/a, 86.9 rating, 2.2 sacks/gm, 6.2 rushes for 40 y/gm
2023 - 2025 (30 gms): 13-17, 67.8%, 1.95 TD:Int, 1.2 pass TD/gm, 6.8 y/a, 91.6 rating, 2.1 sacks/gm, 5 rushes for 33 y/gm

Maybe that GB game, ending his 7-0 streak, showed the league something about how to defend him??

I feel like it's increased risk aversion. Maybe a loose wheel came off at GB, and the stress/decline of Kliff went hand in hand with Kyler - and adaptations stopped. But under Gannon, they seem to encourage risk aversion except when needed, which is just a bad mix with a person already risk averse - that makes the HC/possibly OC/QB all risk averse, requiring luck to win anything of substance, even with high floor play.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Monti Ossenfort says when Kyler Murray is healthy, he will be out there for the Arizona Cardinals

Monti Ossenfort joined Wolf & Luke for his bi-weekly segment to discuss the Arizona Cardinals upcoming game against the Green Bay Packers.

arizonasports.com

Let's go K1.

 

[urs]

... and stays out longer than expected every time.

Huh? You just make stuff up

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Monti Ossenfort says when Kyler Murray is healthy, he will be out there for the Arizona Cardinals

Monti Ossenfort joined Wolf & Luke for his bi-weekly segment to discuss the Arizona Cardinals upcoming game against the Green Bay Packers.

arizonasports.com

Monti is a mouthpiece and nothing else. That interview was terrible from a Monti standpoint.

 

[BritCard]

From 51:49

"Is the Kyler Murray era over?"

Good point in here too about Cards game management in the RZ on the last drive.

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[Ronin]

Super Bowl Champ Slams Kyler Murray's Leadership

A Super Bowl champ questioned Kyler Murray’s leadership, saying the Cardinals QB “just doesn’t bring it” on the field.

www.si.com

 

[Ronin]

Cardinals GM has cryptic quote about Kyler Murray

Arizona Cardinals general manager Monti Ossenfort caused some speculation about quarterback Kyler Murray with some comments he made about the quarterback on Thursday.

www.yardbarker.com

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

KM is getting lambasted every where you turn. The end is near.

 

[oaken1]

KM is getting lambasted every where you turn. The end is here.

FTFY

 

[BirdGangThing]

KM is getting lambasted every where you turn. The end is near.

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[WisconsinCard]

FTFY

I wish that were true, but I'm not seeing it yet. He'll be starting once he's healed unless Jacoby and the cards go on a win streak. Which I highly doubt possible.

 

[BritCard]

KM is getting lambasted every where you turn. The end is near.

I like to think it will make him pull his head out of his ass, but I think he's the type that never thinks it's him.

I'm sure when he leaves he's the type to crap all over the org rather than take any blame.

 

[DVontel]

To be honest, I’m not against any former player or employee crapping on Michael Bidwill’s organization.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

I like to think it will make him pull his head out of his ass, but I think he's the type that never thinks it's him.

I'm sure when he leaves he's the type to crap all over the org rather than take any blame.

It seems like he has 0 self awareness. I don't think anything will ever get through to him, as far as taking the necessary steps to be better. Oh well...not our problem for much longer.

 

[TRW]

It seems like he has 0 self awareness. I don't think anything will ever get through to him, as far as taking the necessary steps to be better. Oh well...not our problem for much longer.

Before next season:

"Hold my beer! As I sign KM to a 5 year $350 mil extension."-Michael Bidwill

"Kyler's my guy."-Gannon as he's signed to a 5 year extension.

 

[kerouac9]

Before next season:

"Hold my beer! As I sign KM to a 5 year $350 mil extension."-Michael Bidwill

"Kyler's my guy."-Gannon as he's signed to a 5 year extension.

I had this same thought

 

[PDXChris]

Jags are 4-1 and on track for the playoffs, why would they be moving key pieces? Lawrence hasn't been great, although he has spells, but he's also better than Kyler and winning.

This didn't age well and it's only 9 days later. Whoops

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

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[jf-08]

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[BIGDADDY_REDBIRD]

You guys are right! it's all Kylers fault....