Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[BirdGangThing]

Is that going to make him tougher?

we'll find out exactly how tough he is

 

[PDXChris]

Questioning the toughness of any NFL player is hilarious and peak arm chair QB. He threw a dime to MHJ on the very next play

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Dude can't even check down right. Has Mike for an easy 1st down at the sticks and throws to Carter who's dropped 2 yards short.

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And mhj is WIDE OPEN THERE.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Next play, throws an uncatchable pass to a wide open Mike.

This pass is all wrong, this shouldn't be a high floated pass, this should be fired in to the open man breaking down the sideline.

This is the first 3 and out drive at the start of Q2. All on Kyler.

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Good god that pass was even worse than I remembered.

And yeah the tightens was WIDE open for a big gainer.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm not sure if this video has been posted where the snapped ball hit Kyler in the helmet.

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[AsUpRoDiGy]

I'm not sure if this video has been posted where the snapped ball hit Kyler in the helmet.

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Prob just got his feelings hurt.

 

[Chopper0080]

I mean, some guys enjoy the contact element of football, and some are contact averse. Kyler is contact averse which makes sense due to his stature.

 

[vince56]

Questioning the toughness of any NFL player is hilarious and peak arm chair QB. He threw a dime to MHJ on the very next play

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Agreed in principle. But I can also say that I prefer a QB that doesn't shy away from being hit as much as Kyler appears to. He seems VERY risk-averse, and since he's generally so good at escapability and throwing on the run, it's usually fine.

But there's a difference between a guy that is always looking for an escape and a guy willing to step up in the pocket and be willing to take a squared-up hit while throwing.

 

[cardcrazy]

Questioning the toughness of any NFL player is hilarious and peak arm chair QB. He threw a dime to MHJ on the very next play

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Call me what you want!
It’s my observation of KM compared to most other successful QBs.
Kyler will not take a hit if there’s any possible way to avoid it.

 

[netsnjkidd]

I mean, some guys enjoy the contact element of football, and some are contact averse. Kyler is contact averse which makes sense due to his stature.

Thats the strangest thing bryce young doesn't shy away from contact and kyler might have 20lbs on him

 

[PJ1]

When he threw the ball up in the air for intentional grounding I was losing it. Seven years in the league. I supported him every step of the way. Sadly he isn’t the answer.

 

[Chopper0080]

When he threw the ball up in the air for intentional grounding I was losing it. Seven years in the league. I supported him every step of the way. Sadly he isn’t the answer.

Kyler just makes independently bad decisions that real ones know can't be blamed on anyone else. He is not about the details. He is not about the role. He wants to win but he isn't about the self reflection and accountability that requires it. He isn't the alpha in a group.

"I just run the play that is called" is the perfect summary of Kyler the QB.

 

[PDXChris]

Kyler just makes independently bad decisions that real ones know can't be blamed on anyone else. He is not about the details. He is not about the role. He wants to win but he isn't about the self reflection and accountability that requires it. He isn't the alpha in a group.

"I just run the play that is called" is the perfect summary of Kyler the QB.

This is exactly what he should be criticized for. Kyler is most is most of the posters on here.

 

[PDXChris]

@Ronin can you merge the new Kyler threads with this one?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

He's just so indecisive or slow to process. Marv is open here, it's what the play was designed to do, but Kyler delays and misses the window.

Better view from the EZ angle.

(I'm not sure Kyler can throw this pass, he's known to be bad at throwing anything moving lateral).

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He’s got two receivers open to that side of the field.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Brother BPB is on record saying he talks to Stefanski.

I promise you K1 is not going to the Browns. Come on people.

Can't deny any of this. I highly doubt Cleveland would want Kyler. But then again how many teams would?

 

[K1Day1]

Can't deny any of this. I highly doubt Cleveland would want Kyler. But then again how many teams would?

I'm guessing Murray will definitely get another shot with a different team in the future. If Daniel Jones ( who Giants fans still blame for losing Saquan ) can get another shot, Baker Mayfield ( who's been on a couple of different team ) and lastly Sam Darnold ( who was seeing dead people " I mean ghost " on the field during a game ) can get another shot. I don't think anyone would think Murray won't get another chance.
Just because Cardinals fans can blame a single player doesn't mean that other teams don't look at a player and see their performance as a " Bidwill, Arizona Cardinals " organization problem. Teams saw the Mayfield problem as a " Cleveland Browns organization " problem. Teams saw Daniel Jones as a " N.Y Giants organization " problem.
Never get so high and mighty on the Arizona Cardinals to think that other teams believe that if a player doesn't succeed with the Cardinals than that player must be a BUST ! ! ! That's alot of belief in an organization that's been to one ( count it 1.... ) Superbowl in almost the last 40 years.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I'm guessing Murray will definitely get another shot with a different team in the future. If Daniel Jones ( who Giants fans still blame for losing Saquan ) can get another shot, Baker Mayfield ( who's been on a couple of different team ) and lastly Sam Darnold ( who was seeing dead people " I mean ghost " on the field during a game ) can get another shot. I don't think anyone would think Murray won't get another chance.
Just because Cardinals fans can blame a single player doesn't mean that other teams don't look at a player and see their performance as a " Bidwill, Arizona Cardinals " organization problem. Teams saw the Mayfield problem as a " Cleveland Browns organization " problem. Teams saw Daniel Jones as a " N.Y Giants organization " problem.
Never get so high and mighty on the Arizona Cardinals to think that other teams believe that if a player doesn't succeed with the Cardinals than that player must be a BUST ! ! ! That's alot of belief in an organization that's been to one ( count it 1.... ) Superbowl in almost the last 40 years.

I don't believe he wants to. I think he retires with his fortune and heads off into the sunset to live his real dreams.

 

[K1Day1]

I don't believe he wants to. I think he retires with his fortune and heads off into the sunset to live his real dreams.

We will all eventually find out. Anyone that's seen my post " This season " knows I've been very critical of Murray’s play so far. But as a Football fan it's hard to believe that people think if a player can't succeed with the Cardinals then they can't succeed anywhere smh.

 

[Phrazbit]

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The wider view makes this play even worse... guys absolutely wiiiiiiiiiiiiide open, well before any hint of pressure.

 

[The6]

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Lol. Running for his Life

 

[The6]

I'm not sure if this video has been posted where the snapped ball hit Kyler in the helmet.

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This guy's too much. For the wrong reasons

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

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The wider view makes this play even worse... guys absolutely wiiiiiiiiiiiiide open, well before any hint of pressure.

Dude is embarrassingly bad

 

[602 Native]

I'm guessing Murray will definitely get another shot with a different team in the future. If Daniel Jones ( who Giants fans still blame for losing Saquan ) can get another shot, Baker Mayfield ( who's been on a couple of different team ) and lastly Sam Darnold ( who was seeing dead people " I mean ghost " on the field during a game ) can get another shot. I don't think anyone would think Murray won't get another chance.
Just because Cardinals fans can blame a single player doesn't mean that other teams don't look at a player and see their performance as a " Bidwill, Arizona Cardinals " organization problem. Teams saw the Mayfield problem as a " Cleveland Browns organization " problem. Teams saw Daniel Jones as a " N.Y Giants organization " problem.
Never get so high and mighty on the Arizona Cardinals to think that other teams believe that if a player doesn't succeed with the Cardinals than that player must be a BUST ! ! ! That's alot of belief in an organization that's been to one ( count it 1.... ) Superbowl in almost the last 40 years.

Multiple teams will be lining up to “fix” K1.

 

[The6]

Kyler just makes independently bad decisions that real ones know can't be blamed on anyone else. He is not about the details. He is not about the role. He wants to win but he isn't about the self reflection and accountability that requires it. He isn't the alpha in a group.

"I just run the play that is called" is the perfect summary of Kyler the QB.

You have to wonder if he likes or loves the game