Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[Chopper0080]

@K1Day1 is 100% correct here. While Mayfield was in Cleveland, Murray had essentially the same winning record, higher completion rate, higher yards per attempt (!), higher success rate, higher passer rating, higher QBR, higher TD:Int ratio, more than 3x as many rushing yards, 4x as many rushing TDs, and a 2-0 head-to-head record.

And yet Kyler chose to run that HC out of town. Best thing that could have happened to Kliff in hindsight.

 

[Chopper0080]

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My thing is Kyler was all in on Drew. Which should be a good thing in terms of following your OC. He needs to be cut/traded in order to find his spark again. Cause he plays like he doesnt believe he's that good.

Idk…Kyler seems to like an OC who he can shift the blame to so he isn’t held accountable for the stagnation of his own career.

 

[Mulli]

He stinks!

 

[SoonerLou]

And yet Kyler chose to run that HC out of town. Best thing that could have happened to Kliff in hindsight.

Absolutely. Kyler tanked his own career running off Kliff not knowing the Cardinals history of whiffing on premier coaches. He left his career in Bidwill's hands.

And Vance suddenly looks like a great DC in Denver.

Zach Allen looks underpaid.

Byron Murphy is a Pro Bowl CB.

A few people have done well since leaving the Cardinals.

 

[SoonerLou]

Idk…Kyler seems to like an OC who he can shift the blame to so he isn’t held accountable for the stagnation of his own career.

My problem with Kyler is that he really likes Drew. So he's a part of the problem. He thinks they are doing the right things.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Yeah sucks to be getting $18m a year and be widely considered to be a top 3, if not top 1, TE in the league.

How is he laboring in obscurity?

I mean, i guess it's not like the 90's, before FF and all the gambling, when no one would have even knew he existed.

But when the post season starts, he'll be sitting at home, forgotten. And I think the losing grates on these guys too.

But it doesn't really matter at this point my friend. All is lost for 2025, and congrats to you on Kyler likely moving on after this season.

Probably by next August I'll get my hopes up again, and will be pulling for whomever is wearing the proud Cardinal logo.

 

[82CardsGrad]

If anyone watched the Bills-Pats game last night, you saw two QB’s who are both far more advanced than is Kyler. Josh Allen isn’t a surprise of course, yet it’s stunning nonetheless to witness his command within the pocket, as he shifts, slides and shuffles while always keeping his eyes downfield and consistently creating more time for his players to get open.
Versus Kyler, who either falls to the ground, many times untouched, or takes the sack, or scampers for a 3 yard gain - taking a downfield play out of the equation.

Maye is amazing at scrambling while, again, keeping his eyes downfield and time after time, completing a clutch pass.

There are other examples as well, of QB’s regularly commanding the pocket while hell is breaking loose around them, and making plays downfield.

You can continue to blame Petzing, or Gannon, or Monti, the o-line or whatever… The fact is 99.9% of current NFL QB’s would’ve won that game yesterday.

It’s time… Murray and the Cards need to seek a divorce.

 

[DVontel]

If anyone watched the Bills-Pats game last night, you saw two QB’s who are both far more advanced than is Kyler. Josh Allen isn’t a surprise of course, yet it’s stunning nonetheless to witness his command within the pocket, as he shifts, slides and shuffles while always keeping his eyes downfield and consistently creating more time for his players to get open.
Versus Kyler, who either falls to the ground, many times untouched, or takes the sack, or scampers for a 3 yard gain - taking a downfield play out of the equation.

Maye is amazing at scrambling while, again, keeping his eyes downfield and time after time, completing a clutch pass.

There are other examples as well, of QB’s regularly commanding the pocket while hell is breaking loose around them, and making plays downfield.

You can continue to blame Petzing, or Gannon, or Monti, the o-line or whatever… The fact is 99.9% of current NFL QB’s would’ve won that game yesterday.

It’s time… Murray and the Cards need to seek a divorce.

90% of us here know Murray isn’t the answer & are done with him dude, but it’s okay to share blame which you have a difficult time doing.

 

[602 Native]

And yet Kyler chose to run that HC out of town. Best thing that could have happened to Kliff in hindsight.

LOL
K1 ran K2 out of town while he was out with an ACL tear?

Bro you guys are incredible.

 

[82CardsGrad]

90% of us here know Murray isn’t the answer & are done with him dude, but it’s okay to share blame which you have a difficult time doing.

Football, as a team sport, always allows itself to share the accolades and the blame in wins and losses… However, there is only 1 position that stands above all the rest, and holds the potential to carry a team to victory far more than any other position… That would be the QB position.

Was Kyler the sole cause for that debacle? Of course not.
Yet, 99.9% of all other NFL QB’s would’ve won that game.
So there’s that…

 

[urs]

Football, as a team sport, always allows itself to share the accolades and the blame in wins and losses… However, there is only 1 position that stands above all the rest, and holds the potential to carry a team to victory far more than any other position… That would be the QB position.

Was Kyler the sole cause for that debacle? Of course not.
Yet, 99.9% of all other NFL QB’s would’ve won that game.
So there’s that…

The most surprising thing was that Kyler dropped the ball before the goalline to seal away the game at 28-6. You can't do that as the QB and leader of the team. THEN he follows that up by fumbling an INT and kicking it around into the EZ for an easy Titans TD. Kyler needs to be held accountable. Oh...don't forget snapping the ball to himself as he's going through his cadence and waiting for the guard to be set and having it go off his facemask. It's comical Kyler error after Kyler error. Unacceptable.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

They were about the same using my memory. The biggest difference to me is Baker plays though injuries while Kyler sits out with them. So to me it tough to compare just numbers. But there is no doubt who is better today.

Edit

That one playoff win gives Baker the tie breaker for me

Geez Whiskey, can you at least admit that K1 might be more successful with a better organization? Wow.

Congrats to you Stout, Britcard, Chopper, et. all on the fact that we'll be moving on from Kyler.

 

[BritCard]

Congrats to you Stout, Britcard, Chopper, et. all on the fact that we'll be moving on from Kyler.

I wouldn't put money on it yet.

 

[602 Native]

Football, as a team sport, always allows itself to share the accolades and the blame in wins and losses… However, there is only 1 position that stands above all the rest, and holds the potential to carry a team to victory far more than any other position… That would be the QB position.

Was Kyler the sole cause for that debacle? Of course not.
Yet, 99.9% of all other NFL QB’s would’ve won that game.
So there’s that…

Demercado with the biggest brain dead move I have ever seen
Specail Teams showing they are special again
The Defense kicking the ball into the endzone for a tuddy
BPB calling 3 runs in a row and punting

This board gives no credit to K1 in wins and all the blame for losses so far this season.

Its comical to say the least. Meanwhile the national media is calling for coaches to be fired.

 

[BritCard]

Demercado with the biggest brain dead move I have ever seen
Specail Teams showing they are special again
The Defense kicking the ball into the endzone for a tuddy
BPB calling 3 runs in a row and punting

This board gives no credit to K1 in wins and all the blame for losses so far this season.

Its comical to say the least. Meanwhile the national media is calling for coaches to be fired.

Because he's not good in either.

You realise it's perfectly possible for multiple things to be bad including Kyler right?

 

[Mulli]

Because he's not good in either.

You realise it's perfectly possible for multiple things to be bad including Kyler right?

Yes!

 

[BritCard]

Dude can't even check down right. Has Mike for an easy 1st down at the sticks and throws to Carter who's dropped 2 yards short.

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[DaHilg]

Dude can't even check down right. Has Mike for an easy 1st down at the sticks and throws to Carter who's dropped 2 yards short.

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Oh gawd please for the sake of the board, do not do Brits ALL 22 breakdown this week

 

[BritCard]

Next play, throws an uncatchable pass to a wide open Mike.

This pass is all wrong, this shouldn't be a high floated pass, this should be fired in to the open man breaking down the sideline.

This is the first 3 and out drive at the start of Q2. All on Kyler.

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[Russ Smith]

Did Kyler lose the game? No. But after the early snap hit his helmet, he stood there and watched the other team recover it without making any effort to get it. He is the QB, team leader, and he sets the tone for the rest of the team. What did he show them? Pathetic.

Yeah he 100% has to go hard after the ball but I do sort of get it. The RG for us stood up prior to the snap and was still standing when the ball was snapped so I assume Kyler thought it was a dead ball false start but you can't assume that.

 

[BritCard]

Lost in the embarrassment is that of the 21 points we scored 7 of them was on a 27 yard field from the forced fumble by the defense.

 

[602 Native]

Because he's not good in either.

You realise it's perfectly possible for multiple things to be bad including Kyler right?

Absolutely but thats not this example.

You are free to your opinion of K1 its just always the wrong one.

 

[BritCard]

Oh gawd please for the sake of the board, do not do Brits ALL 22 breakdown this week

I understand you not wanting to see how bad Kyler is. Feel free to look away.

 

[602 Native]

Lost in the embarrassment is that of the 21 points we scored 7 of them was on a 27 yard field from the forced fumble by the defense.

I would hope so since we poured so many resources into that side of the ball.

What is their job again?

 

[BritCard]

Absolutely but thats not this example.

You are free to your opinion of K1 its just always the wrong one.

Sure man, 95% of the board is wrong and you and your 4 buddies are right.