Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[BirdGangThing]

Zero rushing touchdowns through four games is unacceptable.

We must, must run K1 in the red zone and on the goal line.

The situation is not salvageable unless this changes.

i don't care how we score

 

[Crimson Warrior]

i don't care how we score

I mean I don't really either BGT, but I think it just gives the defense so much more to account for in these critical situations.

And the sad thing is I don't think we've tried this very much so far this year. Maybe once or twice at the most.

I want to see the QB draw in the redzone (vs. the read option) and the bootleg on the goal line.

 

[BirdGangThing]

I mean I don't really either BGT, but I think it just gives the defense so much more to account for in these critical situations.

And the sad thing is I don't think we've tried this very much so far this year. Maybe once or twice at the most.

I want to see the QB draw in the redzone (vs. the read option) and the bootleg on the goal line.

no more goalline mhj corner fades and im good lol run it throw it sneak it hide it in fro's butt for all i care

 

[Stout]

Zero rushing touchdowns through four games is unacceptable.

We must, must run K1 in the red zone and on the goal line.

The situation is not salvageable unless this changes.

While I agree Kyler needs to run more, he really can't do much at the goal line. He can't sneak to save his life. It would have to be an edge run or delayed draw, which are also good for losing yardage.

 

[krazy2k]

While I agree Kyler needs to run more, he really can't do much at the goal line. He can't sneak to save his life. It would have to be an edge run or delayed draw, which are also good for losing yardage.

Running = heart

Pocket = height

Exactly. He's afraid of getting hit and injured. That's why there is little running from KM overall and certainly not much of anything in the red zone.

 

[AZ Fan]

Hey guys, I haven’t followed the Cardinals since HotnCold Murray became QB but I decided to tune in today. Nothing’s changed, hopefully a new QB next season

 

[SECTION 11]

Hey guys, I haven’t followed the Cardinals since HotnCold Murray became QB but I decided to tune in today. Nothing’s changed, hopefully a new QB next season

Riiight.

 

[602 Native]

Hey guys, I haven’t followed the Cardinals since HotnCold Murray became QB but I decided to tune in today. Nothing’s changed, hopefully a new QB next season

Yes this loss was in K1 totally

You people need a new mantra after that collapse of a game by our coaches.

 

[unseenaz]

It’s over. Lock the thread. Heck, lock the forum. See you guys around draft time.

 

[BirdGangThing]

that's a wrap - the az kyler experiment has failed

 

[602 Native]

that's a wrap - the az kyler experiment has failed

K1 will go somewhere else to a real franchise and be just fine.

This team is beyond horrible.

 

[BirdGangThing]

K1 will go somewhere else to a real franchise and be just fine.

This team is beyond horrible.

agreed - horrible with kyler - both will.be better off - time for a divorce - we'll still see eachother on weekends though

 

[SoonerLou]

K1 will go somewhere else to a real franchise and be just fine.

This team is beyond horrible.

Kyler needs to follow the same method Baker, Darnold, etc followed.

Go be a backup on a well run team with an offensive mind. Learn what you dont know.

I listened to the game earlier today and Carson Wentz said he didnt know how to throw middle of the field against zone until he spent time with the Rams/Chiefs.

Not that Wentz is good and who knows if that what he ultimately becomes...

However, he clearly hasnt learned everything he needs to or else he would carry this dead offense against teams like the Titans.

 

[kerouac9]

K1 will go somewhere else to a real franchise and be just fine.

This team is beyond horrible.

That’s fine. I’m good with him going Sam Darnold or Baker Mayfield (ha!) somewhere else.

He’s gotta go.

 

[SoonerLou]

agreed - horrible with kyler - both will.be better off - time for a divorce - we'll still see eachother on weekends though

I think Kyler being gone will be better for the Cards as well.

Bidwill is too comfortable with the excuse that "its Kyler"
He needs to further re-evaluate this franchise as well going forward.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

K1 will go somewhere else to a real franchise and be just fine.

This team is beyond horrible.

I feel bad for him and McBride too.

This team, this leadership group, it's just no good. The Cardinals have failed K1 and McBride horribly.

Just from a human being's perspective, I'd like to see K1 get to play with a decent franchise.

 

[602 Native]

That’s fine. I’m good with him going Sam Darnold or Baker Mayfield (ha!) somewhere else.

He’s gotta go.

This team without him will be a bigger joke than it already is.

This game today is such proof that this franchise is totally inept.

 

[unseenaz]

K1 will go somewhere else to a real franchise and be just fine.

This team is beyond horrible.

He doesn't diagnose fast enough to play at the level you think he's capable of. He stands there in the pocket like a deer in the headlights before he either checks down, take a bad sack, or yeets up a pass that requires an incredible catch by a WR. He's been hamstrung by the OC, but there are glaringly obvious things that K1 does that shoot himself in the foot. He shows flashes of great play, because he's very talented and athletic, but the rest is between the ears.

 

[Stout]

I feel bad for him and McBride too.

This team, this leadership group, it's just no good. The Cardinals have failed K1 and McBride horribly.

Just from a human being's perspective, I'd like to see K1 get to play with a decent franchise.

and K1 has failed the Cardinals horribly. There's plenty of blame to go around and Kyler is due plenty. Dude absolutely turtled and invited sacks for a huge portion of the game. I was just thinking about how I would come here to give Kyler his props as the 1st quarter was winding down. Then it unraveled. Everyone eats this loss, up and down the line.

 

[602 Native]

I think Kyler being gone will be better for the Cards as well.

Bidwill is too comfortable with the excuse that "its Kyler"
He needs to further re-evaluate this franchise as well going forward.

This team will be lost for a decade once K1 is gone

 

[Crimson Warrior]

and K1 has failed the Cardinals horribly. There's plenty of blame to go around and Kyler is due plenty. Dude absolutely turtled and invited sacks for a huge portion of the game. I was just thinking about how I would come here to give Kyler his props as the 1st quarter was winding down. Then it unraveled. Everyone eats this loss, up and down the line.

BS Stout.

TEN wrecked our oline today. Exposed them for the frauds they are.

K1 made a bunch of plays today but the Oline, Demarcdo and DP were having none of it.

 

[602 Native]

He doesn't diagnose fast enough to play at the level you think he's capable of. He stands there in the pocket like a deer in the headlights before he either checks down, take a bad sack, or yeets up a pass that requires an incredible catch by a WR. He's been hamstrung by the OC, but there are glaringly obvious things that K1 does that shoot himself in the foot. He shows flashes of great play, because he's very talented and athletic, but the rest is between the ears.

K1 is better than Baker and Darnold and he will prove that again once he’s gone

 

[Stout]

BS Stout.

TEN wrecked our oline today. Exposed them for the frauds they are.

K1 made a bunch of plays today but the Oline, Demarcdo and DP were having none of it.

Kyler started great. But Kyler also got sacked or made bad decisions when he definitely didn't need to. Try to excuse the grounding play. You can't. Clear chance to throw the ball away but no, the freaking idiot has to run back INTO trouble. One guy is getting pressure? Let's slide RIGHT INTO THAT GUY.

No, Kyler is not THE reason we lost. Yes, Kyler had an excellent quarter of football. Yes, Kyler then fell apart like a cheap watch. If Petzing and Gannon wanted to then go conservative, maybe a vet QB should have the stones to stand up and say no, and freaking audible out of bad play calls.

 

[Stout]

K1 is better than Baker and Darnold and he will prove that again once he’s gone

This is an unserious post.

 

[602 Native]

This is an unserious post.

You will see once he’s gone. The Vikes are praying we get rid of K1.