Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[slanidrac16]

For the Murray die hards:

Kyler has literally said and is on tape saying that he loves the system he’s in and has raved about Petzing and how hard he works and his preparation. He also says he is the most prepared and comfortable that he’s ever been in his entire career. He raves about his teammates on the offensive side of the ball. Says they have the talent it takes to succeed. How do you square this from the guy that’s at every single meeting, on the practice field every single day, the one out there seeing them on the field and reviewing their tape after games/practices?

I’m pretty sure the answer is gonna be well what do you expect him to say? But he had no problem, criticizing his former head coach/OC and showing contempt for him? So I’m not sure that jives.

Kyler’s happy throwing 5 yard passes?

 

[DVontel]

I highly doubt that Kyler photo will catch anywhere near the heat for him to take it down.

 

[slanidrac16]

So all these guys are 5'8"?

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I would love Baker….

 

[schutd]

Kyler’s level of self-awareness is really trying for this fan.

Right? I want him to be good because he is the QB for my team, but I find him so unlikable, his face is so punchable, and his self awareness is mind-numbingly low. I want my team to win, but right now, I want to be rid of this guy more than that. Sad.

I've been a fan of this team for 37 years and Ive never disliked a player more than him. AND I STILL WANT HIM TO SUCCEED. FML.

 

[kerouac9]

Right? I want him to be good because he is the QB for my team, but I find him so unlikable, his face is so punchable, and his self awareness is mind-numbingly low. I want my team to win, but right now, I want to be rid of this guy more than that. Sad.

I've been a fan of this team for 37 years and Ive never disliked a player more than him. AND I STILL WANT HIM TO SUCCEED. FML.

That lime green pantsuit man

 

[TJ]

Right? I want him to be good because he is the QB for my team, but I find him so unlikable, his face is so punchable, and his self awareness is mind-numbingly low. I want my team to win, but right now, I want to be rid of this guy more than that. Sad.

I've been a fan of this team for 37 years and Ive never disliked a player more than him. AND I STILL WANT HIM TO SUCCEED. FML.

Yup. If you’re gonna be mid, at least be someone likable

 

[DVontel]

Ive never disliked a player more than him

Wait lol

This team has fielded actual domestic abusers & DUI offenders, yet, Kyler is the player you have disliked the most of all the years of being a fan?

 

[DVontel]

I bet you guys are the same people that said Cam Newton was the most unlikable player in a league of domestic abusers, rapists, DUI offenders, & dirty players.

Always found that interesting.

 

[MadCardDisease]

This guy is an idiot.

To be fair you have never been a fan of Jar Jar Binx...

 

[schutd]

I bet you guys are the same people that said Cam Newton was the most unlikable player in a league of domestic abusers, rapists, DUI offenders, & dirty players.

Always found that interesting.

I guess I can summarily dismiss players who behave that way. Like, ****. I want nothing to do with them. Like/ dislike isn't a thing. Having them in the league at all is an unfortunate happenstance thanks to owners. So, while you're 100% correct, I guess I would simply say that of all players outside of the bad humans, of which I definitely do not believe Kyler is one of, I cant stand him, and to this day, I cant stand Cam Newton.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I bet you guys are the same people that said Cam Newton was the most unlikable player in a league of domestic abusers, rapists, DUI offenders, & dirty players.

Nope. Pretty sure people like me and K9 used to defend Cam Newton against the usual race-haters here. And we bashed guys like D Wash unmercifully while others tried to spin his obviously disgusting beating of his baby's Mom.

Always found that interesting.

why you can't just say "Kyler is really stupid to be rocking dog-killer gear in front of pit-bulls" is beyond me, but if you want to stoke racial tension over Kyler, it wouldn't be the first or I'm guessing, sadly the last time.

 

[DVontel]

but if you want to stoke racial tension over Kyler,

Who said anything about me wanting to?

I have no clue why you continue to do this. You read what I say, make a wild assumption, I call you out on it, you know you’re wrong so you don’t say anything after that, Ouchie responds like 21 hours later, then you chip back in.

I know it has to be tiring to you. Crap is old.

 

[DVontel]

I guess I can summarily dismiss players who behave that way. Like, ****. I want nothing to do with them. Like/ dislike isn't a thing. Having them in the league at all is an unfortunate happenstance thanks to owners. So, while you're 100% correct, I guess I would simply say that of all players outside of the bad humans, of which I definitely do not believe Kyler is one of, I cant stand him, and to this day, I cant stand Cam Newton.

I appreciate the response & I knew had a good feeling about the bolded, lol.

 

[DVontel]

But if it makes you happy, Cheese


Not a smart decision by Kyler with the photo.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

How about the continued fashion choice of bottoms that are halfway between pants and shorts? It just makes him look smaller!

 

[GatorAZ]

Simple question

What's more likely?

Kliff was bad, but is now good.
Petzing is bad
Marvin Harrison, #4 overall pick and a player everyone thought was generational is bad
Every WR we had in the last 6 seasons has been meh except Nuk

Or

The QB they all have in common is bad.

Which makes most sense?

There’s been quite a few receivers that had elite college tape but weren’t #1’s in the league. He might just be a Mike Williams/Jerry Juedy type pro. Too early to say of course.

 

[kerouac9]

I bet you guys are the same people that said Cam Newton was the most unlikable player in a league of domestic abusers, rapists, DUI offenders, & dirty players.

Always found that interesting.

Bro how dare you. I still wear this same shirt on Saturdays:

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Love Cam. Loved the hat. Also loved Darnell Dockett and remember him calling out Sam Acho on insta for rocking fake Jordan’s on the team bus and also Dockett being cranky online for getting pulled over by the cops all the time.

Kyler is the least likable high profile player this team has had for a really long time. He’s really hard to cheer for in the same way Jay Cutler made himself hard to cheer for.

 

[DVontel]

Kyler is the least likable high profile player this team has had for a really long time. He’s really hard to cheer for in the same way Jay Cutler made himself hard to cheer for.

I’m probably a little biased since I watched dude since his HS & College journey.

Inconsistent play frustrates me, but I really don’t find Kyler or any player unlikable if they don’t do any of the vile things I listed on the previous page.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Oof, Kyler. Worse decision making than his INTs

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Are we 100% sure that's a M. Vick jersey?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Inconsistent play frustrates me, but I really don’t find Kyler or any player unlikable if they don’t do any of the vile things I listed on the previous page.

Yeah, he seems like a genuinely nice guy. I hate his body language and think he's a mediocre leader at best, but there are far worse guys in the NFL.

 

[kerouac9]

I’m probably a little biased since I watched dude since his HS & College journey.

Inconsistent play frustrates me, but I really don’t find Kyler or any player unlikable if they don’t do any of the vile things I listed on the previous page.

Fair enough.

 

[schutd]

I appreciate the response & I knew had a good feeling about the bolded, lol.

Yah, its been a long standing belief of yours that anyone who disliked/dislikes Newton... it must be about racism. I would vociferously defend myself against that charge. But this is not the forum for that.

I will say I was watching highlights/First Take Monday morning on ESPN, and had to turn it off. Smith and Newton on the same program? Hard pass. I do enjoy Newton much more as an analyst than I did as a player, but it was just too much. I blame Smith more for yesterday.

 

[schutd]

I’m probably a little biased since I watched dude since his HS & College journey.

Inconsistent play frustrates me, but I really don’t find Kyler or any player unlikable if they don’t do any of the vile things I listed on the previous page.

This is fair. I should probably just put all my stuff aside and root for the player, regardless, as long as they're a decent human.

 

[oaken1]

I’m probably a little biased since I watched dude since his HS & College journey.

Inconsistent play frustrates me, but I really don’t find Kyler or any player unlikable if they don’t do any of the vile things I listed on the previous page.

Same.
I really...rillyrillyrilliy hate Kyler as a player sometimes..inconsistant with sprinkles of bonehead.
I seriously question some of his fashion choices...some... but from everything I have seen he appears to be a righteous dude and a genuine person. I wouldnt hesitate to invite him to a barbecue

 

[schutd]

Yeah, he seems like a genuinely nice guy. I hate his body language and think he's a mediocre leader at best, but there are far worse guys in the NFL.

This is where I land. I think sometimes I get a little too loud in my critiques... I couldn't care less about the fashion, Its the in game demeanor that I take issue with.