Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[602 Native]

You know that was written by AI write? I mean, nobody that watched the game would ever write,

" Kyler Murray was, at times, unstoppable against a veteran-led Saints defense, effectively utilizing his legs and right arm in a performance that brings back memories of an MVP-level stretch he displayed in 2021."

More tears about the game that we won because of our unstoppable QB.

 

[BritCard]

im not expecting perfection each week im expecting kyler murray - did we win or lose and did he help or hurt as a whole?

i venture from side to side - going back and forth and i waver but this week i am pretty pro murray - i still think he played a hell of a game

Serious question. How is 5.6 YPA and 36 rushing yards a "Hell of a game"?

 

[BirdGangThing]

Serious question. How is 5.6 YPA and 36 rushing yards a "Hell of a game"?

due the constant pressure in said game - it was brutal - i don't care what anyone else would've done against it cuz they aren't on the cardinals this year - far as murray goes he did what it took - his rushing yards are also out of whack due to the sacks

 

[Shane]

due the constant pressure in said game - it was brutal - i don't care what anyone else would've done against it cuz they aren't on the cardinals this year - far as murray goes he did what it took

You mean the third lowest pressure rate in the league for the week?

 

[BritCard]

due the constant pressure in said game - it was brutal - i don't care what anyone else would've done against it cuz they aren't on the cardinals this year - far as murray goes he did what it took - his rushing yards are also out of whack due to the sacks

He had the 3rd lowest pressure rate of the weekend. Albeit, his passes were so short on average that nobody could get to him in time.

 

[BirdGangThing]

You mean the third lowest pressure rate in the league for the week?

just cuz kyler's so damn good and mobile lol

 

[BirdGangThing]

He had the 3rd lowest pressure rate of the weekend

you saw the same game i saw - stats schmats

 

[kerouac9]

his rushing yards are also out of whack due to the sacks

Sacks aren’t counted against his rushing total bud

 

[BirdGangThing]

Sacks aren’t counted against his rushing total bud

but it sounded really good right

 

[Shane]

just cuz kyler's so damn good and mobile lol

That literally makes no sense. I love how you guys try to push Kyler’s mobility as a reason for such a low pressure percentage. Yet, if he has to be moved off his spot and gets away due to mobility, wouldn’t that indicate pressure? Just because he wasn’t caught doesn’t mean there wasn’t pressure. The two don’t correlate. It’s pressure percentage not how many times you had to run away from it to avoid it. That would still be pressure raising the % not making its lower. By your logic, he’s moving before he needs to because of his mobility.

 

[BirdGangThing]

That literally makes no sense. I love how you guys try to push Kyler’s mobility as a reason for such a low pressure percentage. Yet, if he has to be moved off his spot and gets away due to mobility, wouldn’t that indicate pressure? Just because he wasn’t caught doesn’t mean there wasn’t pressure. The two don’t correlate. It’s pressure percentage not how many times you had to run away from it to avoid it. That would still be pressure raising the % not making its lower. By your logic, he’s moving before he needs to because of his mobility.

you guys? when kyler has his next sucky game i'll be arguing with 602 and PA

look- like i said - far as kyler goes it was a hell of a game - he usually doesn't win in those circumstances due to his own detriment aka turnovers

 

[DVontel]

love how you guys try to push Kyler’s mobility as a reason for such a low pressure percentage.

I mean, it definitely helps the OTs. We don’t have to lie there. I actually wonder if any of our OTs played poorly for a majority of the season since Kyler was drafted.

The iOL is an entirely different story & agree with you there.

 

[DVontel]

Though, you could also argue iDLs play discipline football & try to maintain their gaps to prevent Kyler from scrambling up. I’m not going to though, & just wish Kyler took advantage & play a lot better.

 

[602 Native]

just cuz kyler's so damn good and mobile lol

Exactly, people have zero idea how frickin elusive K1 is compared to the other stiffs in the league.

 

[602 Native]

From the top rope.

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[602 Native]

Kurt punches more people in the mouth.
Love it!

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[602 Native]

Dear Lord its a bloodbath.

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[slanidrac16]

the deep ball resulting in a touch down
5+ rushes (had 7)
only 5 sacks
0 turnovers

this is what appreciated - these aren't cherry picked stats but are crucial - and at times (aside from evading) uncharacteristic of kyler murray

this wasn't the balling out early season display/variety - this was a tough game and murray was ineffective late in it - but he got the points it ultimately took to win and without any turnovers provided by our defense

Just to point out 2 of the sacks was because he ran out of bounds short of the LOS instead of tossing it away.

 

[slanidrac16]

you guys? when kyler has his next sucky game i'll be arguing with 602 and PA

look- like i said - far as kyler goes it was a hell of a game - he usually doesn't win in those circumstances due to his own detriment aka turnovers

Man the definition of “ Heluva game” has changed. He played well enough to win. That’s good enough for me. But sooner or later we are going to have to throw the ball more than 6 yards. More than 3 times a game.
Anticipating a reply, “Petzing”….

 

[urs]

Kurt punches more people in the mouth.
Love it!

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Be honest though, Britcard is breaking down film in the all22 thread, something Warner really can't comprehend. Guys on this board know far more about QB play than that old fart.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Just to point out 2 of the sacks was because he ran out of bounds short of the LOS instead of tossing it away.

as has been very well documented - like super thoroughly - im talking we went into who kyler is as person - the mental mindsets and possible reasonings - why it keeps happening - what it can do to drives

 

[BirdGangThing]

Man the definition of “ Heluva game” has changed. He played well enough to win. That’s good enough for me. But sooner or later we are going to have to throw the ball more than 6 yards. More than 3 times a game.
Anticipating a reply, “Petzing”….

"Petzing"....

 

[Stout]

Thinking Kyler played all world in week 1 and that those not thinking the same have been schooled is definitely an opinion.

 

[urs]

Thinking Kyler played all world in week 1 and that those not thinking the same have been schooled is definitely an opinion.

See, when you are on the losing end of things and your hate isn't universally accepted you go with hyperbole "Thinking Kyler played all world"...literally no one said that or even hinted at it. Kyler played fine, and like he said in his presser he missed some plays and the offense needs to be better as a whole, including him. But if you don't pile on, make ridiculous claims from "film" even though you have zero clue what the film actually shows that means you think he can do no wrong, right?

 

[602 Native]

Thinking Kyler played all world in week 1 and that those not thinking the same have been schooled is definitely an opinion.

So now its gone to us thinking he played all world instead of winning the game on a solid performance.

You guys are the best.