Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[AZ Native]

elway won 2 suerbowls in the late 90s

Actually, he won because he finally had a running game.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I don't need Kyler to be an icon like Elway.

Just be like QB 8 this season is my ask.

I feel with a decent defense he nudges out like QB 6 or 7

 

[DVontel]

This is really the year for Kyler to be good all season now that the outside media is anointing this season a make-or-break season for him. First time that has happened with him.

 

[oaken1]

This is really the year for Kyler to be good all season now that the outside media is anointing this season a make-or-break season for him. First time that has happened with him.

Should be pressure from day 1..
Hopefully he adapts and gets used to it before January.
Unless he really just don't give no shucks about what the media thinks. Lots of athletes say that. But most don't actually believe it...eats them up in their alone ti.e.

God I really want this kid to grow into what he was billed as...even 80% of it.

 

[Ronin]

Kyler Murray, Cardinals offense emphasize improving QB scrambles

The quarterback's goal to improve his off-schedule plays involves buy-in from the entire offense.

www.espn.com

 

[BirdGangThing]

Kyler Murray, Cardinals offense emphasize improving QB scrambles

The quarterback's goal to improve his off-schedule plays involves buy-in from the entire offense.

www.espn.com

this is what i wanted to hear - two thumbs up

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Kyler Murray, Cardinals offense emphasize improving QB scrambles

The quarterback's goal to improve his off-schedule plays involves buy-in from the entire offense.

www.espn.com

Oh boy more playground ball

Just gives him another excuse not to learn to read a defense and stay in the pocket to make throws

I get the part about it working sometimes

But how many big plays and open receivers is he missing if this is his first reaction

And lately it's looked more like panic and uncontrolled scrambling

 

[Ronin]

Kyler Murray wants Cardinals to be better at 'off-schedule plays' in 2025

 

[Stout]

Kyler Murray wants Cardinals to be better at 'off-schedule plays' in 2025

Of much greater import is for KM to be much better at on-schedule plays.

 

[football karma]

Kyler: i want to get better at X

Us: This means he will be worse at Y

closing in on 200 pages!

 

[Ronin]

CBS Ranks Arizona Cardinals QB Kyler Murray as 'Volatile' Vet

2025 is the year for Kyler Murray. There's no ifs, ands, or buts. There are no more excuses. It's put up or shut up time for the former number one overall pick if he's going to prove himself to continue being the face of the Arizona Cardinals' franchise.

www.yardbarker.com

 

[krazy2k]

Time to move on from KM if the Cards don't make the playoffs - especially if that includes another late season meltdown from him, as per usual.

 

[Ronin]

Insider Hints at Arizona Cardinals Making This Kyler Murray Change

The Arizona Cardinals can do some damage with Kyler Murray under center.

www.si.com

 

[Ronin]

Former Super Bowl starting QB says what Kyler Murray needs to be great

Former NFL starting QB Rex Grossman wants to Kyler Murray on team with a great defense.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Former Super Bowl starting QB says what Kyler Murray needs to be great

Former NFL starting QB Rex Grossman wants to Kyler Murray on team with a great defense.

sports.yahoo.com

"Former Super Bowl starting QB" gives those ignorant of Rex and his "performance" a totally ridiculous impression of his skills.

 

[Ronin]

Private texts from Arizona Cardinals owner, GM during Kyler Murray's contract negotiation

Pablo Torre revealed documents from a collusion hearing last year, and Kyler Murray, Michael Bidwill and Steve Keim are involved.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[Ronin]

Dean Spanos, Michael Bidwill celebrated Kyler Murray's non-fully-guaranteed contract

Arbitrator downplayed clear proof of collusion/coordination on player contracts.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[Stout]

Private texts from Arizona Cardinals owner, GM during Kyler Murray's contract negotiation

Pablo Torre revealed documents from a collusion hearing last year, and Kyler Murray, Michael Bidwill and Steve Keim are involved.

sports.yahoo.com

It as a sheety deal, but fully guaranteed? What an albatross he would have been then!

 

[Krangodnzr]

0 QB's in the NFC West got better in the 2nd half of last season. None of them improved.

Darnold has a career 0-6 record in January btw.

Did you see the 12-6 game with Stafford and Purdy?

If you are asking why the top 5 QB's play better, that speaks for itself. Especially when they have the best defenses to support them almost every game they play.

The issue for Kyler is not the month. Looks at his STATS instead of the record. The change is minimal for his career.

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HIS PROBLEM IS TWOFOLD.

1. WHERE HIS INTS HAPPEN. WHICH MAKES THEIR IMPACT WORSE.

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2. In 2024, him and our offense sucked in this specific situation. He was decent in his other years while trailing, but not last year.

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I am sorry but in this case these stats don't lie. Its wasn't a 2nd half of the season issue. We couldn't recover vs BUF or DET either which everyone forgets.

At one point our offense was last in 4th quarter scoring while being 1st in 1st quarter scoring. This was an entire year this was an issue with Petzing and Kyler.

So yes Kyler struggled vs good defenses at the beginning and end of last season. You know what doesn't help? When your defense is below average.

Last time Kyler had a defense that will be as good as this year was 2021 when we won 11 games. And that defense was only ranked 11 in ppg.

2025 defense could definitely be better, especially when the 2024 defense was similar to the 2020 defense but just played a tougher schedule.

In 2021, the offense had LESS OVERALL YARDS than in 2020 but scored MORE PTS. The defense improving was part of the reason why.

2024 8-9 was a better defense than in = 2020 8-8. I am planning on repeating this until someone wants to challenge it.

SOS (STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE)

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And the reason why I don't want to make excuses and say our oline has issues or we could use another WR is that should not prevent us from making the playoffs and winning a playoff game.


Kyler doesn't have any reasonable excuse this year besides getting a serious injury again.


For the first time in his career EVER he has ALL THESE THINGS:

1. A coach he likes that actively supports him and they have a good relationship.

2. A good GM.

3. The owner allowing these good things to happen spending money this offseason.

4. A top 10 defense

5. Plenty of weapons on offense.

6. Maturity and a sense of leadership.


There is no excuse. I want him gone if we go 8 or 9 wins and miss the playoffs and frankly losing in the 1st round would make me think about it too.

The stats and the talent we have say there is no more excuses.

This division is not overpowering. This team has the talent to win 10 games easily and that should be enough because the Rams aren't winning 11.

The Rams are the only ones who have to play PHI, DET and BAL. They have the hardest opponents in our division this year.

Seattle is not winning 11 in their first with a completely new team, coordinator and QB.

Especially when they aren't going to sweep us this year and got lucky to beat CHI 6-3 and SF on 4th and 15 when Geno ran it in as time expired.

And SF is not going to win the division with the 28th ranked def last in ppg. Their def will get better but they are behind with aging, injury-prone stars.

They will remain the worst defense in our division because SEA, AZ and LAR also are all likely to get better defensively.

And the worst defense in the NFC west has never won the division.

You can easily get something like this:

AZ 10-7

SEA 9-8

LAR 9-8

SF 8-9

I think SEA can get the 3rd wildcard with a better divisional or conf record than LAR.



Playoffs Guess:

#1 PHI

#2 DET vs #7 SEA

#3 TB vs #6 WAS

#4 AZ vs #5 GB


And we probably end up losing in the 2nd round to PHI.

 

[Stout]

So pleased to add this second person to my ignore list, as I am sure it is who I think it is. No AI booshy here, thanks.

 

[602 Native]

Private texts from Arizona Cardinals owner, GM during Kyler Murray's contract negotiation

Pablo Torre revealed documents from a collusion hearing last year, and Kyler Murray, Michael Bidwill and Steve Keim are involved.

sports.yahoo.com

Why do we have to be part of every dumb scandle. Oh that's right we have one of the worst owners in sports.

 

[kerouac9]

Why do we have to be part of every dumb scandle. Oh that's right we have one of the worst owners in sports.

It's not even a scandal. Bidwill didn't do anything. It's just that these texts somehow got subpoena'd.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

It's not even a scandal. Bidwill didn't do anything. It's just that these texts somehow got subpoena'd.

Didn't do anything? This doesn't seem like nothing:

According to this document, Cardinals owner Michael Bidwill and then-general manager Steve Keim had texts about Murray and about Watson's contract.

Bidwill texted Keim about a potential extension, noting, “We are going to load up this contract with … so many incentives to earn the real money.”

Keim responded with a shot at the Browns and Watson's deal. “Why the Browns felt so compelled to pay Watson like that is baffling,” he texted Bidwill.

So, looking at the Murray deal, Bidwill made sure millions of dollars was tied up in incentives — more than $9.3 million in workout bonuses (participating in the offseason program after he held out in 2022) and more than $4 million in per-game roster bonuses. And then, of course, there was the famous study clause that was later taken out.

Bidwill's texts to other owners​

Bidwill was congratulated for the deal with Murray, as it was not full guaranteed.

Los Angeles Chargers owner Dean Spanos texted Bidwill, "Congratulations on signing Kyler Murray."

Bidwill responded, "Thanks Deno! These QB deals are getting expensive but we limited the fully guaranteed money and have some pretty good language. Thankfully, we have a QB that’s worth paying.”

Spanos followed up with, "Your deal helps us for our QB next year,” referring to quarterback Justin Herbert, who would get a $262.5 million contract extension in 2023. Of that, $193.7 was guaranteed and $133.7 million was fully guaranteed.

Bidwill then responded, showing how the Murray deal would make other owners happy, especially after the Watson deal earlier that year. "I think many teams will be happy with it once they have a chance to review,” he responded. “Cleveland really screwed things up, but I was resolved to keep the guaranteed money relatively ‘low.’”

 

[kerouac9]

Didn't do anything? This doesn't seem like nothing:

According to this document, Cardinals owner Michael Bidwill and then-general manager Steve Keim had texts about Murray and about Watson's contract.

Bidwill texted Keim about a potential extension, noting, “We are going to load up this contract with … so many incentives to earn the real money.”

Keim responded with a shot at the Browns and Watson's deal. “Why the Browns felt so compelled to pay Watson like that is baffling,” he texted Bidwill.

So, looking at the Murray deal, Bidwill made sure millions of dollars was tied up in incentives — more than $9.3 million in workout bonuses (participating in the offseason program after he held out in 2022) and more than $4 million in per-game roster bonuses. And then, of course, there was the famous study clause that was later taken out.

Bidwill's texts to other owners​

Bidwill was congratulated for the deal with Murray, as it was not full guaranteed.

Los Angeles Chargers owner Dean Spanos texted Bidwill, "Congratulations on signing Kyler Murray."

Bidwill responded, "Thanks Deno! These QB deals are getting expensive but we limited the fully guaranteed money and have some pretty good language. Thankfully, we have a QB that’s worth paying.”

Spanos followed up with, "Your deal helps us for our QB next year,” referring to quarterback Justin Herbert, who would get a $262.5 million contract extension in 2023. Of that, $193.7 was guaranteed and $133.7 million was fully guaranteed.

Bidwill then responded, showing how the Murray deal would make other owners happy, especially after the Watson deal earlier that year. "I think many teams will be happy with it once they have a chance to review,” he responded. “Cleveland really screwed things up, but I was resolved to keep the guaranteed money relatively ‘low.’”

Explain to me what the scandal is?

$13.3 million of incentives in a $230 million contract? Bidwill really took Kyler to the woodshed. The rolling guarantees in Kyler's contract mean the salaries are functionally guaranteed for six of the seven years of the deal.

Congrats to Jess Root for laying out some quality clickbait. I'm obviously no fan of deluded failson Michael Bidwill or inebriated clown Steve Keim. If I'm saying this is a nothingburger, you can take it at face value.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Explain to me what the scandal is?

$13.3 million of incentives in a $230 million contract? Bidwill really took Kyler to the woodshed. The rolling guarantees in Kyler's contract mean the salaries are functionally guaranteed for six of the seven years of the deal.

Congrats to Jess Root for laying out some quality clickbait. I'm obviously no fan of deluded failson Michael Bidwill or inebriated clown Steve Keim. If I'm saying this is a nothingburger, you can take it at face value.

Who said there was a scandal? I simply said it doesn't appear to be nothing. I don't think the collusion rises to something that the NFL should be involved with, but I also don't believe its absolutely nothing.