Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[kerouac9]

I guess here is where I am confused. I don't believe we differ in terms of what type of QB Kyler is. I feel you are also saying it is not necessarily easy to find an upgrade, which is ultimately my point. I don't believe it will be easy to find an upgrade at QB over Kyler even if I don't believe Kyler is the guy to win us a playoff game. Because of that, it is what it is until Monti decides to roll the dice and make a move for a better QB (draft or trade). I am just not going to get worked up when Kyler is the player he is.

Oh, I want to be Mad Online about it. Gotta get all these feelings out.

 

[Mulli]

Oh, I want to be Mad Online about it. Gotta get all these feelings out.

If you need MO and Top Gann to go 17-0 to improve their winning percentage to a respectable number, I am sorry for you.

 

[kerouac9]

If you need MO and Top Gann to go 17-0 to improve their winning percentage to a respectable number, I am sorry for you.

I didn't say that, but a one-win improvement isn't enough.

I think that what @Chopper0080 is saying is that Monti and Gannon are trying to build a roster around Kyler robust enough so that even if he keeps playing at the level we've seen, this team can't help but stumble into nine wins.

This is similar to what Philly did last year where Sirianni went 11-6, made the playoffs, got rolled by Baker Mayfield, and Sirianni went into this season on the hot seat. Also similar to the Dungy Bucs in the late 90s/early 00s. They were 48-32 over five seasons with just one division title and two playoff victories.

How funny would it be if Kyler were our Trent Dilfer.

 

[Mulli]

I didn't say that, but a one-win improvement isn't enough.

I think that what @Chopper0080 is saying is that Monti and Gannon are trying to build a roster around Kyler robust enough so that even if he keeps playing at the level we've seen, this team can't help but stumble into nine wins.

This is similar to what Philly did last year where Sirianni went 11-6, made the playoffs, got rolled by Baker Mayfield, and Sirianni went into this season on the hot seat. Also similar to the Dungy Bucs in the late 90s/early 00s. They were 48-32 over five seasons with just one division title and two playoff victories.

How funny would it be if Kyler were our Trent Dilfer.

 

[kerouac9]

I'm actually the guy who expressed caution in blowing everything up after Kliff. I loved those Dungy Bucs teams (still have a Reebok(!) John Lynch(!) jersey hanging in my closet). I think the best thing you can do is be good enough to make the playoffs every year; sooner or later you're going to break through.

Pittsburgh has done a good job of remaining competitive while not over-extending themselves trying to push past Mahomes. Bill Cowher was 12-9 in the playoffs and in the Hall of Fame. Mike Tomlin is 8-11 and casual racists in the Keystone State can't wait to run him out of town.

 

[Mulli]

I'm actually the guy who expressed caution in blowing everything up after Kliff. I loved those Dungy Bucs teams (still have a Reebok(!) John Lynch(!) jersey hanging in my closet). I think the best thing you can do is be good enough to make the playoffs every year; sooner or later you're going to break through.

Pittsburgh has done a good job of remaining competitive while not over-extending themselves trying to push past Mahomes. Bill Cowher was 12-9 in the playoffs and in the Hall of Fame. Mike Tomlin is 8-11 and casual racists in the Keystone State can't wait to run him out of town.

You expressed caution for saying bad things about Steve Keim. Not your fault we all make mistakes

 

[Mulli]

I'm actually the guy who expressed caution in blowing everything up after Kliff. I loved those Dungy Bucs teams (still have a Reebok(!) John Lynch(!) jersey hanging in my closet). I think the best thing you can do is be good enough to make the playoffs every year; sooner or later you're going to break through.

Pittsburgh has done a good job of remaining competitive while not over-extending themselves trying to push past Mahomes. Bill Cowher was 12-9 in the playoffs and in the Hall of Fame. Mike Tomlin is 8-11 and casual racists in the Keystone State can't wait to run him out of town.

Congratulations on the Trubisky/Danger Russ/Justin Fields Era, Steelers. Good job good effort.

 

[Mulli]

You expressed caution for saying bad things about Steve Keim. Not your fault we all make mistakes

I have receipts!!!

 

[Chopper0080]

I didn't say that, but a one-win improvement isn't enough.

I think that what @Chopper0080 is saying is that Monti and Gannon are trying to build a roster around Kyler robust enough so that even if he keeps playing at the level we've seen, this team can't help but stumble into nine wins.

This is similar to what Philly did last year where Sirianni went 11-6, made the playoffs, got rolled by Baker Mayfield, and Sirianni went into this season on the hot seat. Also similar to the Dungy Bucs in the late 90s/early 00s. They were 48-32 over five seasons with just one division title and two playoff victories.

How funny would it be if Kyler were our Trent Dilfer.

Yes.

 

[Stout]

I'm actually the guy who expressed caution in blowing everything up after Kliff. I loved those Dungy Bucs teams (still have a Reebok(!) John Lynch(!) jersey hanging in my closet). I think the best thing you can do is be good enough to make the playoffs every year; sooner or later you're going to break through.

Pittsburgh has done a good job of remaining competitive while not over-extending themselves trying to push past Mahomes. Bill Cowher was 12-9 in the playoffs and in the Hall of Fame. Mike Tomlin is 8-11 and casual racists in the Keystone State can't wait to run him out of town.

First of all, the casual racists remark cant be further from the truth. The national narrative on Tomlin overlooks a lot, and the local narrative is pretty spot on: it's time for him to move on. It isn't working for him in Pittsburgh any longer. He has become another Whisenhunt, only his phrase is "The standard is the standard" to KW's "The system works." You quote his playoff record, but none of those 8 wins have come in, I think it is the past 8 seasons. I love that he's still their coach which, given my hatred of the Stillers, should say a lot.

Personally, I would absolutely hate to be where the Stillers are. Their defense is massively overpriced and aging, they don't have a QB, their OC is worse than Petzing, their coach is happy just not having a losing season, and their owner considers no playoff wins to be "success," I kid you not. Even having Kyler is a better situation than what they have or can get at the QB position right now. No freaking thank you.

 

[Stout]

Congratulations on the Trubisky/Danger Russ/Justin Fields Era, Steelers. Good job good effort.

Exactly.

 

[Chopper0080]

First of all, the casual racists remark cant be further from the truth. The national narrative on Tomlin overlooks a lot, and the local narrative is pretty spot on: it's time for him to move on. It isn't working for him in Pittsburgh any longer. He has become another Whisenhunt, only his phrase is "The standard is the standard" to KW's "The system works." You quote his playoff record, but none of those 8 wins have come in, I think it is the past 8 seasons. I love that he's still their coach which, given my hatred of the Stillers, should say a lot.

Personally, I would absolutely hate to be where the Stillers are. Their defense is massively overpriced and aging, they don't have a QB, their OC is worse than Petzing, their coach is happy just not having a losing season, and their owner considers no playoff wins to be "success," I kid you not. Even having Kyler is a better situation than what they have or can get at the QB position right now. No freaking thank you.

I think this is valid to acknowledge. There is a significantly worse world out there than having Kyler Murray as your QB. Those are the teams you really don't want to be. When AZ decides to move on from Kyler, they will need to have identified what that better option is.

An example to watch in real time is the Vikings moving on from Cousins for McCarthy.

 

[Stout]

I think this is valid to acknowledge. There is a significantly worse world out there than having Kyler Murray as your QB. Those are the teams you really don't want to be. When AZ decides to move on from Kyler, they will need to have identified what that better option is.

An example to watch in real time is the Vikings moving on from Cousins for McCarthy.

Yeah, the Stillers really screwed the pooch in Big Ben's last years. He was allowed to stay longer than he should have played, and they shied away from drafting a replacement because Big Ben hated rivals in the QB room. Now they're suffering for it, the fools.

 

[football karma]

How funny would it be if Kyler were our Trent Dilfer.

gladly accepted

 

[BirdGangThing]

if you know your qb can't get you to the superbowl you have two choices - accept that you're not going to the superbowl or try and get to the superbowl

 

[cardinals2025]

No wonder I'm not as high on the guy as some folks here... I must've been in a coma for those seasons!

Yeah we can't repeat getting back to the playoffs like we did in 2020 with an 11-6 record despite the fact he sucked at the end of the year.

Especially when 10 wins is enough this time. Thats completely impossible.

Especially when our defense is better than the defense in 2020.

We will see Marvin Harrison and Trey Benson improve.

The possibility of 2 shutdown cbs and a above average pass rush.

No Kyler has to do worse than blow the end of the year to fudge up getting to the playoffs after this team starts playing well this year.

He has already proven when he has an above average defense, he is good enough to make the playoffs.

This will be the 2nd attempt.

I don't care "how it looks." I trust our coaching staff and our defense even if we back our asses into the playoffs with Kyler throwing a bunch of INTs in the last 5 games.

 

[kerouac9]

Especially when 10 wins is enough this time.

I really don't expect this to be the case. We play the NFC South and the AFC South.

Last year the NFC North played the AFC South and three teams had 11+ wins. Last year the NFC East played the NFC South and the top two teams had 12+ wins.

 

[gimpy]

Oh, I want to be Mad Online about it. Gotta get all these feelings out.

Well, seems to me you have been getting these feelings out for a long, long, looonng time.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Congratulations on the Trubisky/Danger Russ/Justin Fields Era, Steelers. Good job good effort.

Yet were playoff contenders or in the playoffs every year.

I get the Steeler frustration with not making a playoff run, but to move on from Tomlin would be crazy. Look at their talent and yet they’re winning every year in a division with the Ravens and Bengals and in a tough AFC conference.

 

[Stout]

Yet were playoff contenders or in the playoffs every year.

I get the Steeler frustration with not making a playoff run, but to move on from Tomlin would be crazy. Look at their talent and yet they’re winning every year in a division with the Ravens and Bengals and in a tough AFC conference.

Yeah, no. The Stillers are a joke in Pittsburgh now. Once that defense ages out--very soon now--that team will bottom out. Tomlin hasn't been anything in years. He's Ken Whisenhunt part deux now. "The standard is the standard" means it's standard to lose in the playoffs, if you even make it that far.

 

[BritCard]

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[Mulli]

Thank you, AZJACE.

 

[602 Native]

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Also from Harmon

Usage also needs to improve from Drew Petzing. These were some quotes on his usage:

"He had four in space attempts which is one of the lowest attempts in reception perception history."
"You can't have the 4th overall pick and this craftsman in MHJ running Alec Pearce routes but that is kind of what they did."
"Much of the projection just involves things that is outside of MHJ control... he is winning in this capacity but he is not getting the ball."

 

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Yeah I’m not buying that. Acting like Harrison was running around open all year is disingenuous at best. He was wide open rarely, and blanketed often.

 

[Mulli]

Ya, I will go with “Section 11, Vibraslap” over AZJace every time!!