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Kyler Murray Debacle Thread
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Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Did I say otherwise? Nope. Your claim is Kyler "carrying" the team, something he has never done. Carrying a team means you are picking up those around you, making them better by your presence, play, and leadership, and adding wins to the team. He has never done that. Kyler plays exactly to the talent around him. That's why he's an average, run of the mill starting QB and has less than average win totals.
Chopper0080
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The Chiefs have some cap issues that I think may really impact what number they can offer Kyler.
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If the Cards cut Kyler the Chiefs could sign him for the minimum on a "prove it" deal. Don't think they would but it could happen.
The only winning QB we've had since the team came to AZ was Palmer, 38-48 is downright stellar for this terrible franchise.
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The Chiefs are pretty effed up looking into the near future. It will be interesting to see how proactive they are in rebuilding. My guess is they will hope for the best on Mahome's knee recovery and try to hold it together as best they can for one more run at it.
i think kelce is a free agent after this year
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Kelce is going to move on to being Taylor Swift's Head of Security.
Chopper0080
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They are 43 mil over the cap with 37 dudes signed, and they will likely need to cut Taylor at RT to save 20 mil. Kyler would have to take a very minimal deal.
On the Chiefs, Tyquan Thornton will be worth a look for teams looking for a vertical player.
I believe Drew Stanton was 9-4 as a starter and Jay Schroeder (probably before your time) was 5-3 as a starter. We have had a lot of QBs. But it is pretty bleak record-wise.
kerouac9
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Not if Bidwill is paying him $35 million in 2026
He was in a game manager role this year, that's true, but it was going okay. At least we were competitive with him on the field Stout.
I know there are 21 (+ special teams) other players that influence the outcome of the game, but you can't completely discount that fact that we should have been 4-1 after the CAR game.
He played well enough to the point where, without question, we should have been 4-1 after the CAR game.
You can type until you're blue in the face my friend but I'll never stop believing that's the truth.
And now look where we are.
And you want to tell me "yeah we'll be better off without him".
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Look at what he was doing on the field, though. Eye test or numbers test, both are the same. He wasn't dragging us to wins or uplifting the team. Game manager was the ceiling. That's not generational or hyper talented or worth anywhere near what he's getting paid. At this point in his career, he is what he is. If he had the cognitive processing ability to progress in the pocket, or could have shed the privilege and put in the real work/change, maybe it could have been different. Those two things have stunted his career.
So if you wanna crown him, then crown him
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That’s what my scenarios assume.
Chopper0080
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I mean offering him like 8 mil without future dead money.
kerouac9
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Why would Kyler care? The money gets offset?
Chopper0080
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Of course this is speculation, I think the salary means something to Kyler about what level of QB he is. I absolutely could be wrong tho. It's also why I think he will prioritize being a starter over being a backup or competing for a job (a rookie might be an exception).
I wasn't counting anyone that didn't have a full season's worth of starts.I believe Drew Stanton was 9-4 as a starter and Jay Schroeder (probably before your time) was 5-3 as a starter. We have had a lot of QBs. But it is pretty bleak record-wise.
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Look at what he was doing on the field, though. Eye test or numbers test, both are the same. He wasn't dragging us to wins or uplifting the team. Game manager was the ceiling. That's not generational or hyper talented or worth anywhere near what he's getting paid. At this point in his career, he is what he is. If he had the cognitive processing ability to progress in the pocket, or could have shed the privilege and put in the real work/change, maybe it could have been different. Those two things have stunted his career.
So if you wanna crown him, then crown him
punchoutnd
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There seems to be a basic misunderstanding about how quarterback height affects play near the goal line.
As an offense moves closer to the end zone, passing windows naturally shrink and throws must be flatter. This isn’t a new concept—it’s been understood since the early days of the forward pass (going back to Bradbury Robinson) that you can’t rely on high-arching throws when the field is compressed. The closer you get to the goal line, the less vertical space you have to work with, and the more the line of scrimmage matters.
That’s where shorter quarterbacks can struggle. Inside the red zone—especially inside the 15-yard line—the ability to see over linemen and deliver quick, flat throws becomes critical. Kyler Murray, for example, has shown difficulty consistently hitting receivers in this area, in part because he can’t arc passes over the line the way taller QBs can when throwing into tight windows.
This isn’t a knock on talent or arm strength—it’s a geometry problem. Short field, tall linemen, reduced passing angles. Curious if others see this as a schematic issue, a personnel issue, or just something that gets ignored in QB evaluations.
As an offense moves closer to the end zone, passing windows naturally shrink and throws must be flatter. This isn’t a new concept—it’s been understood since the early days of the forward pass (going back to Bradbury Robinson) that you can’t rely on high-arching throws when the field is compressed. The closer you get to the goal line, the less vertical space you have to work with, and the more the line of scrimmage matters.
That’s where shorter quarterbacks can struggle. Inside the red zone—especially inside the 15-yard line—the ability to see over linemen and deliver quick, flat throws becomes critical. Kyler Murray, for example, has shown difficulty consistently hitting receivers in this area, in part because he can’t arc passes over the line the way taller QBs can when throwing into tight windows.
This isn’t a knock on talent or arm strength—it’s a geometry problem. Short field, tall linemen, reduced passing angles. Curious if others see this as a schematic issue, a personnel issue, or just something that gets ignored in QB evaluations.
He is not worth 45m a year. He’s an underachiever. He woild not have made it through the season.
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Chiefs could use a new TE. Sell high on McBride?
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