Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[kerouac9]

I think this is a lazy assessment.

Cardinals GM/Coach were saying Kyler is completely bought in for years. I think he simply isnt enough of an outside the box thinker to overcome being a 5'9" QB playing in a muddy pocket.

How he prepares at that height is very different than someone 6'1".

Now he’s 5’9”? By the offseason he’ll be 5’6” and it’ll be Keim’s fault for drafting him at all.

 

[SoonerLou]

Now he’s 5’9”? By the offseason he’ll be 5’6” and it’ll be Keim’s fault for drafting him at all.

You're right 5'10". His physical dimensions makes it seem like he's smaller than Bryce Young to me. Or at least the way he plays.

 

[Ronin]

Cardinals didn’t want to give Kyler Murray more control

Kyler Murray wanted to have some say in the Cardinals' decision-making.

bolavip.com

 

[Stout]

JUST WOW! He is a mess if this is true... SMH

His gutless play on the field is bad enough, but this? We knew he was rotten behind the scenes in prep, but this ties everything together to make so much sense that Kyler was a moronic prima donna. No wonder he refuses to get a QB guru and relies on daddy. He's so awesome and great that he needs to dictate draft and FA strategy too? Eff no. I disliked him as a player, but if true, I dislike him as a person too. That kind of arrogance, the "I'm so special I can do everything I want" is truly disgusting. Yes, you need to have loads of confidence and swagger to be that true leader QB. What you don't want is the haughty, entitled, detached arrogance that has been KM. What a douche.

 

[Stout]

i mean if you read the article it's not that bad Shane. The headline makes it sound worse that it apparently was.

Oh, it is that bad. Nuclear bad. Just because the team didn't grant him those idiotic demands doesn't absolve him of that fact that he was the guy who thought he deserved to have those demands met. This is ugly entitlement at its near worst.

 

[Stout]

a garbage article, gleaming opinions from Weinfuss (already a terrible source):

"Weinfuss reiterated that a majority of Murray’s demands were dismissed and ignored."

Who cares if they were dismissed and ignored? The fact that he thought he was entitled enough to have them met is disastrous.

 

[Mulli]

Who cares if they were dismissed and ignored? The fact that he thought he was entitled enough to have them met is disastrous.

Thought Police. Kyler has more qualifications than Petzing does.

 

[Stout]

Thought Police. Kyler has more qualifications than Petzing does.

@Mulli Thought police: Don't thought police my posts bro. Don't @ me either

 

[Chopper0080]

Cardinals didn’t want to give Kyler Murray more control

Kyler Murray wanted to have some say in the Cardinals' decision-making.

bolavip.com

Another example of Kyler having zero accountability and self awareness. This is a misleading story because it is in reference to old events, but to have two seasons of losing records and then ask for a say in decisions is just peak Kyler.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

@Mulli Thought police: Don't thought police my posts bro. Don't @ me either

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Another example of Kyler having zero accountability and self awareness. This is a misleading story because it is in reference to old events, but to have two seasons of losing records and then ask for a say in decisions is just peak Kyler.

All those fetal sacks must've given him hallucinations that he was actually good enough to demand that kind of respect.

 

[Chopper0080]

I’d call him intellectually lazy. Hes willing to put in the physical work, but it seems not the mental work.

Kyler's biggest issue, IMO, is just that he is not critical of himself. Call it accountable or whatever, he does not look at his play and see himself as the issue. He does not ask what more he can do. It's why I harp on the "I just run the plays that are called" comment. That's someone who is not taking ownership like a top NFL QB has to do. Hell, like a leader has to do. It's why he has never changed his play style. It's why he said he doesn't need to endlessly grind film. It's why he preferred to not be under C. It's why he struggles to communicate. It's why he doesn't run the QB sneak.

EDIT-You can also add it's why he can't seem to throw the ball away and why he doesn't get a private QB coach.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

This quote is hilarious. To only ask for 4 hours a week means that tablet wasn't used at all outside of the facility. Johnny Manziel vibes.

"Cardinals brass didn't think Murray was studying film at home enough after comparing the time he spent on his tablet outside of the facility to that of his teammates. The team added an independent study clause into his contract that required Murray to study at home for four hours a week in addition to what he was studying at the Cardinals' facility."

 

[Mulli]

JG has 3 losing seasons and still has input. No one knows how to win. So Kyler plays too many video games but also gives too much and or too little input? Would it be better if he said “those plays suck, I am not calling them.”

This negative press campaign so allow the Cardinals to get out of $19.5 million is not a great look.

 

[Chopper0080]

JG has 3 losing seasons and still has input. No one knows how to win. So Kyler plays too many video games but also gives too much and or too little input? Would it be better if he said “those plays suck, I am not calling them.”

This negative press campaign so allow the Cardinals to get out of $19.5 million is not a great look.

Meh. Your boy in Chicago is publicly saying the offense isn't doing it's part. It doesn't mean he is wrong, but calling out your 2nd year QB in public is fine as long as you are winning. If you start losing, then the coach is publicly airing private business, and when players follow his lead, he has created a toxic locker room.

Winning justifies a lot of things that would look bad if the team was losing.

 

[Mulli]

Meh. Your boy in Chicago is publicly saying the offense isn't doing it's part. It doesn't mean he is wrong, but calling out your 2nd year QB in public is fine as long as you are winning. If you start losing, then the coach is publicly airing private business, and when players follow his lead, he has created a toxic locker room.

Winning justifies a lot of things that would look bad if the team was losing.

Irrelevant, but ok. Smear the guy you signed a contract with to make it look better when you decide to get out of the contract later. Same old Cardinals

 

[Mulli]

Hey NFL, watch us smear the guy who was our franchise QB we can win with up until September.

 

[unseenaz]

Hey NFL, watch us smear the guy who was our franchise QB we can win with up until September.

I can't believe you're letting a Josh Weinfus article get you this emotional.

 

[Mulli]

I can't believe you're letting a Josh Weinfus article get you this emotional.

I dont read that guy, wasn’t that emotional but I hear you, sir!!

 

[AZCB34]

Would it be better if he said “those plays suck, I am not calling them.”

I think a top QB could say that. Maybe not in those exact words but I gotta think the elite QBs give input into the game plan and plays within that plan. They have to have compelling evidence as to why they are saying it.

Kyler could say those things but we have ample evidence he did not work hard enough on the mental side to allow him to rationally argue for distant or “better” plays therefore all he can fall back on is “I just run the plays that are called”

 

[Mulli]

I think a top QB could say that. Maybe not in those exact words but I gotta think the elite QBs give input into the game plan and plays within that plan. They have to have compelling evidence as to why they are saying it.

Kyler could say those things but we have ample evidence he did not work hard enough on the mental side to allow him to rationally argue for distant or “better” plays therefore all he can fall back on is “I just run the plays that are called”

Ok, but there is also evidence that the guy calling the plays is even worse at this job

 

[AZCB34]

Ok, but there is also evidence that the guy calling the plays is even worse at this job

So what? They both suck and to my eyes equally

I’m not even sure what you are really arguing any longer.

 

[Mulli]

So what? They both suck and to my eyes equally

I’m not even sure what you are really arguing any longer.

Same.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

IDK. Somebody is going to look at what they have got, look at what's out there and say "You know, I think Murray is our best chance."

Who? I have no idea. But Kyler is not out of the league. He has a higher passer rating this season than Purdy, Penix, Burrow, Caleb Williams and several other QBs starting today.

I mean look at Justin Fields. He got TWO shots at getting reclaimed as a starter. No way nobody ever thinks about Kyler again.

I will agree with you. Particularly whatever his cost is. But that would’ve as a free agent signee. I don’t know who wants him at his current contract price tag.

 

[daves]

Kyler's biggest issue, IMO, is just that he is not critical of himself. Call it accountable or whatever, he does not look at his play and see himself as the issue. He does not ask what more he can do. It's why I harp on the "I just run the plays that are called" comment. That's someone who is not taking ownership like a top NFL QB has to do. Hell, like a leader has to do. It's why he has never changed his play style. It's why he said he doesn't need to endlessly grind film. It's why he preferred to not be under C. It's why he struggles to communicate. It's why he doesn't run the QB sneak.

EDIT-You can also add it's why he can't seem to throw the ball away and why he doesn't get a private QB coach.

It's why none of the receivers has ever said that he messages them at all hours of the day and night with references to film so that they can talk about how they could exploit a certain defensive look.