Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[BullheadCardFan]

I wonder whether Payton would bring him in to "back up" Nix? Nic has been kinda lousy and Payton has experience making a short QB a hall of famer.

Of course, Payton would need to believe that Murray would completely change his stripes and commit to studying film and working his ass off outside the weight room. Maybe being benched and traded would open Murray's eyes, and he'd finally buy into a coach with Payton's gravitas.

I think Payton did not take our job seriously partially because of KM

SP is very strict and wants to develop his QBs which means they have to do everything they can to excel

Not sure he saw that in KM

If you can't make the QB do what needs to be done don't take the job

 

[daves]

I think Payton did not take our job seriously partially because of KM

SP is very strict and wants to develop his QBs which means they have to do everything they can to excel

Not sure he saw that in KM

If you can't make the QB do what needs to be done don't take the job

Absolutely... But to complete my thought process... Maybe being outplayed by Brissett and ditched by the Cardinals and not having any prospects as a starter would finally get Murray to wake up and smell the coffee and put down the COD controller. Perhaps Payton would believe he could motivate Murray to put in the work in the film room and there's a chance the two of them could be successful together.

Wouldn't be the first time a lazy athletic Cardinals QB went to Denver and learned to be a pro!

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Absolutely... But to complete my thought process... Maybe being outplayed by Brissett and ditched by the Cardinals and not having any prospects as a starter would finally get Murray to wake up and smell the coffee and put down the COD controller. Perhaps Payton would believe he could motivate Murray to put in the work in the film room and there's a chance the two of them could be successful together.

Wouldn't be the first time a lazy athletic Cardinals QB went to Denver and learned to be a pro!

Good point and it's possible

It's up to KM to dig deep and find the desire to do that

Be humble and seek guidance to improve

 

[602 Native]

I think Payton did not take our job seriously partially because of KM

SP is very strict and wants to develop his QBs which means they have to do everything they can to excel

Not sure he saw that in KM

If you can't make the QB do what needs to be done don't take the job

I think Payton never wanted to be associated with Bidwill because he is a loser silver spoon hillbilly.

 

[SoonerLou]

It would be pointless to draft a young QB and sit him behind 2 vets. 3rd QBs get very few reps or development.

You go the Giants route with Jaxson Dart.

Jameis was brought in, but was 3rd string since he didnt beat out Russell Wison.

JG seems to be on the Daboll fired in a year timeline anyway.

 

[SoonerLou]

Absolutely... But to complete my thought process... Maybe being outplayed by Brissett and ditched by the Cardinals and not having any prospects as a starter would finally get Murray to wake up and smell the coffee and put down the COD controller. Perhaps Payton would believe he could motivate Murray to put in the work in the film room and there's a chance the two of them could be successful together.

Wouldn't be the first time a lazy athletic Cardinals QB went to Denver and learned to be a pro!

Difference or problem is I dont think K1 is lazy. I think he's unaware or aloof. Which could be a bigger problem.

Rightly or wrongly, K1 might not see Jacoby losing a bunch of games as being better. And he might look at Jacoby is allowed/forced to throw all game which he clearly wasnt in the 13 personnel/run heavy JC days.

It'll be interesting what lessons he takes from this if any.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Difference or problem is I dont think K1 is lazy. I think he's unaware or aloof. Which could be a bigger problem.

Rightly or wrongly, K1 might not see Jacoby losing a bunch of games as being better. And he might look at Jacoby is allowed/forced to throw all game which he clearly wasnt in the 13 personnel/run heavy JC days.

It'll be interesting what lessons he takes from this if any.

That's the most disappointing part about this entire thing my friend.

Murray is failing because he appears to be lacking multiple intangible qualities. Toughness/durability (he's pretty made of glass if we're being honest), maturity, perspective, charisma, leadership... even commitment and determination.

You name "it", he doesn't appear to have "it".

All that talent. Wasted.

And if he thinks that bag is going to keep him happy he's wrong. Money above a certain point solves some problems but it damn sure doesn't make a person happy.

 

[DVontel]

And if he thinks that bag is going to keep him happy he's wrong. Money above a certain point solves some problems but it damn sure doesn't make a person happy.

I don’t know, I think making $230mill+ & having your family set would make a lot of people happy here.

 

[DVontel]

I look at the Kyler Murray debacle in two ways.

If his goal was to win Super Bowls & be one of the best to ever play in the NFL, then yea, he obviously didn’t reach that goal. Didn’t come close to. Outside of a season, he didn’t take a historical pathetic franchise to being respectable outside of 1 season at best. Got benched. A big hit to the ego.

On the other hand

Dude got drafted #1 overall. Made a lot of money off rip. Dude made significantly more money by signing that big contract, whether deserved or not is irrelevant. He still got it. Financially, him & his future generations are set. That’s success. Now, he probably gets another try with maybe a more respectable franchise.


It’s really a combo of both as much as fans probably don’t want to hear the latter.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I don’t know, I think making $230mill+ & having your family set would make a lot of people happy here.

I understand your point D'Vontel and I'm not trying to be that guy.

But trust me man, they've done studies about this. Income up to a certain point does increase happiness, that's true. But it's only up to like 100k annually. Where you can buy decent housing, have enough for a good vacation, buy health insurance, etc.

After that it doesn't move the needle much, because relationships are what drive happiness more than anything.

And I'm in field where I get to see this in practice. I see plenty of guys who are making 10 million a year and they are often no more happy or even less happy than other guys I see making 300k a year.

I'll leave it there and give you the last word if you want it man. I generally like your takes and don't want to get on your bad side by appearing to be unreasonable about this.

 

[GatorAZ]

I think Payton did not take our job seriously partially because of KM

SP is very strict and wants to develop his QBs which means they have to do everything they can to excel

Not sure he saw that in KM

If you can't make the QB do what needs to be done don't take the job

Sean Payton was able to meet with teams but was not a free agent. The Broncos were willing to trade a first & second rounder to the Saints. Our first was #12 (before trading up) and Denver’s was #29 that year.

Hindsight opinions are different but in the moment the argument was draft compensation.

 

[SoonerLou]

That's the most disappointing part about this entire thing my friend.

Murray is failing because he appears to be lacking multiple intangible qualities. Toughness/durability (he's pretty made of glass if we're being honest), maturity, perspective, charisma, leadership... even commitment and determination.

You name "it", he doesn't appear to have "it".

All that talent. Wasted.

And if he thinks that bag is going to keep him happy he's wrong. Money above a certain point solves some problems but it damn sure doesn't make a person happy.

I look at the Kyler Murray debacle in two ways.

If his goal was to win Super Bowls & be one of the best to ever play in the NFL, then yea, he obviously didn’t reach that goal. Didn’t come close to. Outside of a season, he didn’t take a historical pathetic franchise to being respectable outside of 1 season at best. Got benched. A big hit to the ego.

On the other hand

Dude got drafted #1 overall. Made a lot of money off rip. Dude made significantly more money by signing that big contract, whether deserved or not is irrelevant. He still got it. Financially, him & his future generations are set. That’s success. Now, he probably gets another try with maybe a more respectable franchise.


It’s really a combo of both as much as fans probably don’t want to hear the latter.

I think that will ultimately decide things for Kyler. A few reporters lately and Trey McBride have said just how competitive Kyler is.

So I think his pride would be hurt to see him falling off while his peers are thriving. The money heals wounds, but its gotta eat at him that Baker and Hurts are more successful QBs.

That is if he truly doesnt think he can handle the physical grind of the NFL. Just isnt willing to take hits in order to make big time throws. If he knows or believes that then he'll collect his money and fade into obscurity pretty soon.

Joining a team like the Jets would tell me his mindset. Get some more cash before he's outta the league.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

And if he thinks that bag is going to keep him happy he's wrong. Money above a certain point solves some problems but it damn sure doesn't make a person happy.

I'll take a crack at it.

 

[Shane]

I'll take a crack at it.

Same

 

[slanidrac16]

Absolutely... But to complete my thought process... Maybe being outplayed by Brissett and ditched by the Cardinals and not having any prospects as a starter would finally get Murray to wake up and smell the coffee and put down the COD controller. Perhaps Payton would believe he could motivate Murray to put in the work in the film room and there's a chance the two of them could be successful together.

Wouldn't be the first time a lazy athletic Cardinals QB went to Denver and learned to be a pro!

If Murray needed that kind of a wake up call that is simply sad.
I think MO brought Brissett in because he saw cracks in Kyler’s game and was handcuffed with his contract.
There appears to now be a plan in place to move Kyler.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

murray's mediocrity has nothing to do with call of duty - a good majority of players play call of duty - they don't suck because of it

 

[kerouac9]

a good majority of players play call of duty

A majority? You don’t know this. No one does.

I agree that a lot of players do game; I’m not particularly worried about it. It’s just funny.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

A majority? You don’t know this. No one does.

I agree that a lot of players do game; I’m not particularly worried about it. It’s just funny.

cod war zone

 

[kerouac9]

cod war zone

Okay

 

[Zalixar]

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[WisconsinCard]

Absolutely... But to complete my thought process... Maybe being outplayed by Brissett and ditched by the Cardinals and not having any prospects as a starter would finally get Murray to wake up and smell the coffee and put down the COD controller. Perhaps Payton would believe he could motivate Murray to put in the work in the film room and there's a chance the two of them could be successful together.

Wouldn't be the first time a lazy athletic Cardinals QB went to Denver and learned to be a pro!

Only problem with this is are the broncos willing to pay that kind of money for a back up? Plus draft capital. I don't see them having an interest. But who knows somebody is going to step up and trade for him. Just probably for not as much as we would like to get for him

 

[Stout]

You go the Giants route with Jaxson Dart.

Jameis was brought in, but was 3rd string since he didnt beat out Russell Wison.

JG seems to be on the Daboll fired in a year timeline anyway.

Because that worked out so well for the Giants lol In reality, there's no QB competition because if you put the veteran 3rd, he's not competing for anything, really.

 

[Stout]

Difference or problem is I dont think K1 is lazy. I think he's unaware or aloof. Which could be a bigger problem.

Rightly or wrongly, K1 might not see Jacoby losing a bunch of games as being better. And he might look at Jacoby is allowed/forced to throw all game which he clearly wasnt in the 13 personnel/run heavy JC days.

It'll be interesting what lessons he takes from this if any.

Kyler is 100 percent lazy when he doesn't want to do something. He's a hard worker--when and where he wants to be only.

 

[Stout]

I understand your point D'Vontel and I'm not trying to be that guy.

But trust me man, they've done studies about this. Income up to a certain point does increase happiness, that's true. But it's only up to like 100k annually. Where you can buy decent housing, have enough for a good vacation, buy health insurance, etc.

After that it doesn't move the needle much, because relationships are what drive happiness more than anything.

And I'm in field where I get to see this in practice. I see plenty of guys who are making 10 million a year and they are often no more happy or even less happy than other guys I see making 300k a year.

I'll leave it there and give you the last word if you want it man. I generally like your takes and don't want to get on your bad side by appearing to be unreasonable about this.

I'm going to disagree there. Life changing money is life changing. It's how you change your life to adjust to it. Mostly people that don't have to work any longer because of money become listless because they can't fill the time in a positive manner. Give me the bag, I'll retire tomorrow, and my life quality will improve 1,000 percent, because I have plenty to do and a secondary "job" that doesn't pay much yet. I do make the amount that you say is the cutoff, and brother, it ain't enough to change my life to be the best it could be.

 

[602 Native]

And if he thinks that bag is going to keep him happy he's wrong. Money above a certain point solves some problems but it damn sure doesn't make a person happy.

LOL

Money for sure can buy happiness my friend. I don’t where this mentality comes from but it needs to die.

Football is job to these guys just like your job is. After a while it is something you have to do not necessarily something you want to do.

K1 will be fine and will go somewhere else and probably have a decent career.

My question is when will the Cards win a Super Bowl?
We are further away than we were just last season.