Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[AZ Native]

If stats are what matter now, Kyler is still a top 4 Arizona Cardinal quarterback all time

If you don't believe it. Go to YouTube and watch his 2019 and 2020 highlights. He was phenomenal. But that K1 is gone. He is still very good, but not the stud he was back then.

 

[Mulli]

If you don't believe it. Go to YouTube and watch his 2019 and 2020 highlights. He was phenomenal. But that K1 is gone. He is still very good, but not the stud he was back then.

I do believe, but the cursed franchise broke him.

Don’t @ me.

 

[AZ Native]

I do believe, but the cursed franchise broke him.

Don’t @ me.

Again and again, sadly.

Don't @ me.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Much respect to JB. He's fearless. Very steady.

Has said all the right things. Carried himself very well. Greatly exceeded expectations.

I hate myself because my heart will not let me pull for him under any circumstance (I'm like some jilted adolescent FFS). If K1 is cut or traded that should break Murray's spell on me but right now I'm in a living hell.

So player over team. Color me surprised.

 

[krazy2k]

This thread could have been over a long time ago with just one post: KM is a bust in Arizona.

 

[some dumb guy]

This thread could have been over a long time ago with just one post: KM is a bust in Arizona.

That's exactly how this thread "started" 346 pages ago...LOL

 

[Cheesebeef]

Just as I shook my head at those lauding QBR over games where Kyler would dink and dunk his way to a sterling number while putting up middling amount of points, I do the same to those pimping Brissett’s stats in a hellacious ass-kicking where he had two turnovers and got the majority of his yardage in complete and utter garbage time.

The folks on the far ends of both sides of this, quite frankly, really sad QB controversy, are very silly. You’re both backing horses that ultimately need to be sent to the glue factory as far as this franchise is concerned.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Just as I shook my head at those lauding QBR over games where Kyler would dink and dunk his way to a sterling number while putting up middling amount of points, I do the same to those pimping Brissett’s stats in a hellacious ass-kicking where he had two turnovers and got the majority of his yardage in complete and utter garbage time.

The folks on the far ends of both sides of this, quite frankly, really sad QB controversy, are very silly. You’re both backing horses that ultimately need to be sent to the glue factory as far as this franchise is concerned.

brissett is a statue - a statue that can throw well but a statue regardless - a sitting duck - what he has shown tho is our receivers aren't the problem but our o-line is definitely a part of it - and that we still need a qb

 

[BritCard]

Of course he’s serious.

Stats are all that matters now when for years stats didn’t matter.

Our team is a dumpster fire but JB is playing great (which he’s not).

This is freaking hilarious.

How can you be the guy that said "Kyler is playing fine akshually, it's everyone else" when he was having 180 yard, 1 TD games with 5.5 YPA and now be saying JB isn't playing well with 458 yards, 2 TDs and 8 YPA?

He's on a 4700 yard, 34/7 trend. Kyler has never sniffed 4000 yards.

The cognitive dissonance is off the charts. Truly deluded.

 

[BritCard]

Whoa, whoa, whoa… who exactly is our #1 CB because when 21 was injured, all I was hearing was that we were starting our back-up CBs? And if you’re going to say Johnson is our #1 CB, well, you draft a guy who’s knock on him was injury concerns and… he gets injured a lot, you don’t get to cry foul.

And who is the #2 edge rusher that was out?

Yesterday we had Robinson, Campbell, Cleveland DT, Sweat, 25 (man, my memory ain’t what it used to be), Nolen and even a BJ Ojulari sighting with Melton/21 starting at CB who most here thought would be starters with Buddah and Thompson. For this late in the season, that’s A LOT of who you were going to depend on for the D and we still stunk on ice.

Yeah, any talk of is giving up 40 because we're missing Mac Wilson and a rookie 2nd round corner is nonsense.

Especially to a QB shaking the rust off with Jauan Jennings and Demarcus Robinson at WR. All they had to do was competently cover CMC and Kittle.

 

[BritCard]

brissett is a statue - a statue that can throw well but a statue regardless - a sitting duck - what he has shown tho is our receivers aren't the problem but our o-line is definitely a part of it - and that we still need a qb

So are half the QB's in the league. Let's not make out like not being an elite runner as a QB is a rare thing and not something a franchise should want.

 

[BritCard]

Just as I shook my head at those lauding QBR over games where Kyler would dink and dunk his way to a sterling number while putting up middling amount of points, I do the same to those pimping Brissett’s stats in a hellacious ass-kicking where he had two turnovers and got the majority of his yardage in complete and utter garbage time.

The folks on the far ends of both sides of this, quite frankly, really sad QB controversy, are very silly. You’re both backing horses that ultimately need to be sent to the glue factory as far as this franchise is concerned.

Nobody is saying JB is awesome, certainly not me, but he's playing well.

The whole game was garbage time, we were down 2 score after 6 minutes and never got closer. But this isn't an unusual situation in the NFL, other QBs have been in that situation thousands of times, yet JB broke the all time completion record. That's no small thing. And did it with an 82% comp percentage and nearly 8 YPA. That's some achievement.

JB played well and drove us to the RZ multiple times. He didn't fumble the football on the 1 or commit a hold on 1st and goal at the 7 that set us back and forced a FG. Or commit 17 penalties.

And watching the same people that argued at length that "Kyler was good actually" after a 175 yard 1 TD game with a YPA of 5.5 now argue that Jacoby is somehow not playing well enough when trending for 4700 yards and 34 TDs is frankly pathetic.

Not only has JB exposed Kyler as a fraud, he's exposed that Kyler wasn't the only issue.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

All they had to do was competently cover CMC and Kittle.

Sounds simple

But Rallis didn't do it and they ran up and down the field all game

 

[BirdGangThing]

So are half the QB's in the league. Let's not make out like not being an elite runner as a QB is a rare thing and not something a franchise should want.

doesn't have to be an elite runner but cant be a statue

 

[BritCard]

doesn't have to be an elite runner but cant be a statue

I mean, for one, he's not a statue. He has 80 rushing yards and has avoided several potential sacks by moving out of the pocket. His INT trying to make lemonade on Sunday was such an instance. He has 80 yards scrambling in 5 games.

But sure you can be. Matt Stafford has -9 rushing yards on the season and is in the MVP convo. Brock Purdy has 23 yards in his 3 games. Darnold has 50 all season. Mac Jones has 61 in his 7 starts. Cam Ward has 79. Bryce Young 83 on the season. Dak 117 on the season.

Brissett is league average per game.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Just as I shook my head at those lauding QBR over games where Kyler would dink and dunk his way to a sterling number while putting up middling amount of points, I do the same to those pimping Brissett’s stats in a hellacious ass-kicking where he had two turnovers and got the majority of his yardage in complete and utter garbage time.

The folks on the far ends of both sides of this, quite frankly, really sad QB controversy, are very silly. You’re both backing horses that ultimately need to be sent to the glue factory as far as this franchise is concerned.

The only positive thing I can say about Jacoby is that he still has some value. He's an okay backup QB. But IMO Kyler adds no value to our team at all. My guess he could if he would agree to be the backup but I doubt his ego would allow that to happen.

 

[BirdGangThing]

I mean, for one, he's not a statue. He has 80 rushing yards and has avoided several potential sacks by moving out of the pocket. His INT trying to make lemonade on Sunday was such an instance. He has 80 yards scrambling in 5 games.

But sure you can be. Matt Stafford has -9 rushing yards on the season and is in the MVP convo. Brock Purdy has 23 yards in his 3 games. Darnold has 50 all season. Mac Jones has 61 in his 7 starts. Cam Ward has 79. Bryce Young 83 on the season. Dak 117 on the season.

Brissett is league average per game.

he's a statue with bad timing - trying to get the throw off before he gets hit is brave and all but it's disaster when they get to him - it's not a total physical thing - brissett is busy scanning the field to make the throws we love but his feel for the pass rush is non existent at times leading to our demise - statue - not starter

 

[DVontel]

I mean, for one, he's not a statue. He has 80 rushing yards and has avoided several potential sacks by moving out of the pocket. His INT trying to make lemonade on Sunday was such an instance. He has 80 yards scrambling in 5 games.

But sure you can be. Matt Stafford has -9 rushing yards on the season and is in the MVP convo. Brock Purdy has 23 yards in his 3 games. Darnold has 50 all season. Mac Jones has 61 in his 7 starts. Cam Ward has 79. Bryce Young 83 on the season. Dak 117 on the season.

Brissett is league average per game.

Only two of these names mentioned are statues. Stafford is great, though.

 

[BritCard]

he's a statue with bad timing - trying to get the throw off before he gets hit is brave and all but it's disaster when they get to him - it's not a total physical thing - brissett is busy scanning the field to make the throws we love but his feel for the pass rush is non existent at times leading to our demise - statue - not starter

Guy gives up two scoop and scores in one game and the book is rewritten.

 

[BritCard]

Only two of these names mentioned are statues. Stafford is great, though.

Which was my point. Jacoby has more yards per game scrambling than everyone I listed. The whole statue thing is BS fans have bought from comments by a Seattle defender.

 

[BritCard]

Jacoby had the tougher games too.

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[BirdGangThing]

Guy gives up two scoop and scores in one game and the book is rewritten.

and another 2 turnovers against another divisional opponent in the following week

 

[BritCard]

Jacoby had the tougher games too.

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And for all the Jacoby is a statue nonsense he's been sacked twice more than Kyler in 5 games, despite holding the ball considerably longer and having a lot more drop backs.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Nobody is saying JB is awesome, certainly not me, but he's playing well.

The whole game was garbage time, we were down 2 score after 6 minutes and never got closer. But this isn't an unusual situation in the NFL, other QBs have been in that situation thousands of times, yet JB broke the all time completion record. That's no small thing. And did it with an 82% comp percentage and nearly 8 YPA. That's some achievement.

JB played well and drove us to the RZ multiple times. He didn't fumble the football on the 1 or commit a hold on 1st and goal at the 7 that set us back and forced a FG. Or commit 17 penalties.

And watching the same people that argued at length that "Kyler was good actually" after a 175 yard 1 TD game with a YPA of 5.5 now argue that Jacoby is somehow not playing well enough when trending for 4700 yards and 34 TDs is frankly pathetic.

Not only has JB exposed Kyler as a fraud, he's exposed that Kyler wasn't the only issue.

His skill set is intriguing. Good arm talent and sees the defense and the field well. Moves around in the pocket competently, will take contact to make a throw, and is durable. Calm.

Really just one bad throw out of 57 on Sunday, the INT over the middle where he appeared to sail the ball a little bit. The INT on the sideline was a bang bang play where the defender guessed correctly and broke on the ball just as JB let it go. A fine play by the defensive back.

As a back up? He's a dream come true.

 

[BritCard]

and another 3 turnovers against another divisional opponent in the following week

It was two. One of which was a WR running the wrong route.

He has as many INT's as Kyler through 5 games despite 600 more yards passing.

He has the lowest INT percentage of anyone in the league ever with more than 1000 pass attempts. I think he's fine at protecting the ball.