Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[daves]

What some NFL coaches and executives think of Murray:

From Mike Sando's Pick Six column in The Athletic Tuesday:

Is baseball next for Kyler Murray? It's hard to envision another NFL team giving up much for him, let alone assuring him a starting job.

The Cardinals' decision to name Jacoby Brissett their starting quarterback (and later place Murray on injured reserve) didn't matter in Week 10 against a red-hot Seahawks team in Seattle. Arizona might have lost that game with 2008 Kurt Warner at the offensive controls.

The QB switch matters very much in the big picture.

It's clear the Arizona staff would rather bet its future on Brissett, a 32-year-old journeyman spot starter, than on Murray, the 2019 No. 1 draft choice earning seven times as much in annual salary. And for good reason.

"He gets the tight end (Trey McBride) more involved and clearly knows where to go with the football," an opposing coach said. "The ball comes out quicker, the timing is better, everything."

Brissett gives the Cardinals a chance to run their actual offense, which is heavy on under-center formations. The offense has also been more productive with him, even after the rough game at Seattle.

Cardinals’ offense better with Brissett​

Arizona quarterbacks Jacoby Brissett and Kyler Murray this season

QB	Brissett	Murray
W-L as starter	1-3	2-3
Off PPG	24.8	18.8
Yds/G	351.3	288.4
Yds/play	4.8	5.1
EPA/play	-0.01	0.0
Expl. pass %	20.5%	11.5%
Yds/att	7.2	5.9
3D%	55.9%	43.2%
3-out%	12.2%	30.0%
Early-down UC %	32.6%	12.1%

So, what's next for Murray, who has $36.8 million in fully guaranteed salary next season? It seems unlikely the Cardinals would still have Murray on their roster on March 22, 2026, when $19.5 million in 2027 salary becomes fully guaranteed.

"I think they're gonna have an awakening if they think they can get something for that kid somewhere else," an exec from another team said.

Not that anyone would likely walk away from nearly $37 million, but would Murray even want to be a backup?

"Do you want him to be your backup in Cincinnati? In Pittsburgh?" another coach said. "These are completely different offenses. If you wanted to get your backup behind Lamar (Jackson), maybe? Is he done as a starter? It's a fascinating question. Would Miami take him?"

Murray turns 29 before next season. The MLB's Athletics own his baseball rights after using the ninth overall pick on him in 2018, before Murray had declared his intention to play football. The last time Murray played baseball, for the Oklahoma Sooners in 2018, he batted .296 with 10 home runs in 51 games as a centerfielder.

"Would the Jets consider him?" another exec asked. "He can go try baseball."

 

[BullheadCardFan]

What some NFL coaches and executives think of Murray:

From Mike Sando's Pick Six column in The Athletic Tuesday:

Thanks for posting that

Interesting read and spells out the situation well

Not looking good for the Cardinals trying to trade KM

 

[BritCard]

Thanks for posting that

Interesting read and spells out the situation well

Not looking good for the Cardinals trying to trade KM

They will trade him because they can opt to keep some of his contract, and teams are dumb and think they can fix guys.

 

[kerouac9]

What some NFL coaches and executives think of Murray:

From Mike Sando's Pick Six column in The Athletic Tuesday:

Thanks for sharing. Obviously execs around the NFL are gonna do everything possible to drive down his price also. But this analysis is pretty damning.

 

[DaHilg]

Fro is PFF's 13th ranked center

You should never be able to talk about offensive line again w how much you were boasting about them all year until the QB change

 

[Dback Jon]

Fro is PFF's 13th ranked center

That’s a pretty big indictment of PFF’s rating.

And whether you think his 13th best center or not that play was still 100% on fro

 

[AZCB34]

That’s a pretty big indictment of PFF’s rating.

And whether you think his 13th best center or not that play was still 100% on fro

Yup.

Then Kyler did his best Cam Newton impression.

 

[Chopper0080]

That’s a pretty big indictment of PFF’s rating.

And whether you think his 13th best center or not that play was still 100% on fro

Fro is ok at C. The 13 rank is close. None of that is based on PFF which I don't know why people keep using their grading system as good.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

What some NFL coaches and executives think of Murray:

From Mike Sando's Pick Six column in The Athletic Tuesday:

Maybe he will eventually land with the D-Backs and we can continue discussing him just one forum down the list...

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[DVontel]

Fro is PFF's 13th ranked center

You have to make up your mind if you like PFF or not.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

NFL buzz for Week 11: What we're hearing on Kyler Murray, Brian Daboll and Super Bowl hopefuls

Where will Kyler Murray be playing next season? What's next for the Giants? Which 2026 free agents are worth watching? We have the latest.

www.espn.com

The Rams?

Hadn't even thought of them

 

[BritCard]

You should never be able to talk about offensive line again w how much you were boasting about them all year until the QB change

Dude, you think Kyler is good. That should disqualify you from talking football, full stop.

 

[BritCard]

You have to make up your mind if you like PFF or not.

It's indicative but not accurate.

PFF says Fro is a top half of the league center. So I'm inclined not to think he's terrible. Is he definitely better than 14th and worse than 12th? Probably not.

 

[DaHilg]

Dude, you think Kyler is good. That should disqualify you from talking football, full stop.

Here we go.. KDS Twister alert! Not even talking about Kyler, talking about the Oline but your KDS defaults you to post about Kyler lol

 

[BritCard]

Fro is ok at C. The 13 rank is close. None of that is based on PFF which I don't know why people keep using their grading system as good.

Because if I arbitrarily said that Fro is top half of the league center without anything to back it up then argument would ensue. PFF is accurate enough to say he's in that ballpark.

I disagree with some of their individual game scores, but generally they are in the right ball park overall when you aggregate them all.

PFF have the lines ranked as (basically)

Paris - Very good
Fro - Decent
Everyone else - Bad

And I think most would say that is accurate.

 

[BritCard]

Here we go.. KDS Twister alert! Not even talking about Kyler, talking about the Oline but your KDS defaults you to post about Kyler lol

My bad, I thought this was the Kyler thread...

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Because if I arbitrarily said that Fro is top half of the league center without anything to back it up then argument would ensue. PFF is accurate enough to say he's in that ballpark.

I disagree with some of their individual game scores, but generally they are in the right ball park overall when you aggregate them all.

PFF have the lines ranked as (basically)

Paris - Very good
Fro - Decent
Everyone else - Bad

And I think most would say that is accurate.

Then what the hell happened to our line since last season?

Was Klayton Adams that good?

Did a healthy James Conner make the line look better than it was?

Same personnel but we are much worse.

 

[TRW]

I'm almost hoping they keep Murray just to see if this thread can get to 20,000 posts. In a little over a year it's got over 8,500. Next year would be an epic battle of the two forces whichever way it went!

Amazing!

 

[DVontel]

Then what the hell happened to our line since last season?

Was Klayton Adams that good?

Did a healthy James Conner make the line look better than it was?

Same personnel but we are much worse.

Don’t understand how some people haven’t figured this out yet.


Klayton Adams’ departure + Kyler’s athleticism(which forced DLinemen play contain) covered up the the OL’s deficiencies.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Then what the hell happened to our line since last season?

Was Klayton Adams that good?

Did a healthy James Conner make the line look better than it was?

Same personnel but we are much worse.

when it was good it wasn't conner it was adams - conner benefited from adams knowing how to scheme for nfl blitzes

but it all comes back to monti who doesn't have a qb in year 3 nor a line to protect one

 

[DaHilg]

My bad, I thought this was the Kyler thread...

My bad I thought the post was just talking about the Oline.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

What some NFL coaches and executives think of Murray:

From Mike Sando's Pick Six column in The Athletic Tuesday:

Go try baseball...lol. Execs think less of him than we do. That's impressive.

 

[DaHilg]

Don’t understand how some people haven’t figured this out yet.


Klayton Adams’ departure + Kyler’s athleticism(which forced DLinemen play contain) covered up the the OL’s deficiencies.

No only the QB change made the offensive line terrible

 

[ASUCHRIS]

You have to make up your mind if you like PFF or not.

I don't think you need to accept everything they say or dismiss it out of hand. It's one set of research done by a group and a data point. More often than not, the grades are reflective of reality.

They pretty much have nailed the Cards O-line:

Cardinals OL PFF ranks (min. 300 snaps):

Paris Johnson: 6/62 tackles
Jonah Williams: 51/62 tackles
Evan Brown: 46/64 guards
Isaiah Adams: 59/64 guards
Will Hernandez: 61/64 guards
Hjalte Froholdt: 13/33 centers

 

[kerouac9]

when it was good it wasn't conner it was adams - conner benefited from adams knowing how to scheme for nfl blitzes

but it all comes back to monti who doesn't have a qb in year 3 nor a line to protect one

I also think having Trey and Tip helped a lot. Now we have old man Beachum out there (not sure why we can’t use one of our young OL prospects to get them game time) and he’s not much of a run blocker anymore.