Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[Mulli]

What's the payout for 1 play?? Better be enough to cover my medical bills

Me on that one play “ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT”

 

[some dumb guy]

https://www.thesportingtribune.com/2025/11/10/raiders-favored-to-land-kyler-murray-if-cardinals-move-on

I'm not sure of how much influence Tom Brady has but do you think he would want Murray?

 

[HairZach]

To illustrate how much defenses have changed in the past few years. In 2020 there were 139 QB performances with 300+ yards passing. Through 10 weeks in 2025 there have been 36 300+ yard passing performances.

 

[TRW]

Where is Dave Blough when you need him!!

I almost posted that in the game thread yesterday. LOL

 

[Dback Jon]

You mean a QB capable of going through their progressions?

If you don't that pass rush wouldn't have killed Kyler, I don't know what to tell you.that

And again they wouldn’t have done all those blitzes because Kyler is a mobile QB quarterback

 

[Russ Smith]

Me on that one play “ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT”

I would start with Green 19 and then throw in Omaha to confuse them wait is this Rodgers or manning?

AS a kid we just said GO

 

[Russ Smith]

To illustrate how much defenses have changed in the past few years. In 2020 there were 139 QB performances with 300+ yards passing. Through 10 weeks in 2025 there have been 36 300+ yard passing performances.

YEah I saw that yesterday really surprised me it's that low.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

And again they wouldn’t have done all those blitzes because Kyler is a mobile QB quarterback

You don't need to blitz KM...you just cover anything within 5 yards and he's done

 

[Mulli]

To illustrate how much defenses have changed in the past few years. In 2020 there were 139 QB performances with 300+ yards passing. Through 10 weeks in 2025 there have been 36 300+ yard passing performances.

Sad!!

 

[DaHilg]

This fanbase needs to take a good look in the mirror. This is way bigger than some QB debate. Kyler arguably played his last down of Cardinal football & Jacoby is obviously not a long term starter. No point of really even discussing that.

We’re so outclassed by the rest of the division, it’s insane.

1 million percent…and in this order;

1. Coaching. We have the worse schemes in the division on both sides of the ball. We make dumb fundamental coaching decisions.. and play like conservative wussies.

I read an article today saying Gannon should be fired today because he publicly benched Murray for JB and then the result was a blowout where JB gave up 2 TD's on fumbles.

I don't necessarily agree but I think what's interesting is by putting Kyler on IR, he can't play for 4 games, so the next time he could play in a game is the 13th game. If they have any plan at all to showcase him for a trade the 5 games they have are the Rams twice, the Texans, the Bengals and the Falcons. 3 of those 5 are against 2 of the best defenses in the NFL, Rams and Texans. If your plan is to showcase someone to enhance his trade value that says to me you play him against Falcons or Bengals or both.

But now because he's on IR, you have no viable backup to JB. as i said in the other thread I think that's why we weren't running sneaks yesterday they're afraid JB will get hurt.

I just don't know how we got from there's a role for Kyler on Monday in Dallas to he's not going to play and we're putting him on IR after that game?

Atlanta’s Defense allows the least passing yards per a game and they can get after a QB. Versus our OLine that def wouldn’t be a showcase game

 

[AZ Native]

And again they wouldn’t have done all those blitzes because Kyler is a mobile QB quarterback

I know you are saying, but yes, they would have gotten to Kyler, just as other teams have. The blitz schemes may have looked different, but they could still have gotten to him. That's when he surrenders in the fetal position, takes a sack, throws the ball away short of the line of scrimmage, or runs out of bounds for a loss instead of throwing it out of bounds. He has done all these things multiple times. Yes, blitzes work against Kyler, too, especially when 3 or 4 defenders are in the backfield in a matter of seconds. No one can withstand that kind of pressure, including JB and Kyler.

 

[Mulli]

Does it count as getting to Kyler if the snap bounces off his facemask before they touch him?

 

[Russ Smith]

I know you are saying, but yes, they would have gotten to Kyler, just as other teams have. The blitz schemes may have looked different, but they could still have gotten to him. That's when he surrenders in the fetal position, takes a sack, throws the ball away short of the line of scrimmage, or runs out of bounds for a loss instead of throwing it out of bounds. He has done all these things multiple times. Yes, blitzes work against Kyler, too, especially when 3 or 4 defenders are in the backfield in a matter of seconds. No one can withstand that kind of pressure, including JB and Kyler.

and all of those have happened but they don't result in 2 defensive TD's. We have seen some terrible INT's but in the 2 instances yesterday Kyler would have either tried to escape, or sat down.

Doesn't mean I want him playing again just means the OL was bad but JB HAS to get those 2 balls out faster as well. Gannon even said so in the interview must throw situations ball has to come out faster

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I know you are saying, but yes, they would have gotten to Kyler, just as other teams have. The blitz schemes may have looked different, but they could still have gotten to him. That's when he surrenders in the fetal position, takes a sack, throws the ball away short of the line of scrimmage, or runs out of bounds for a loss instead of throwing it out of bounds. He has done all these things multiple times. Yes, blitzes work against Kyler, too, especially when 3 or 4 defenders are in the backfield in a matter of seconds. No one can withstand that kind of pressure, including JB and Kyler.

So much for mobility.

Facts:

Kyler sacked 6 times on September 25, 2025.
Jacoby sacked 5 times on November 9, 2025.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Does it count as getting to Kyler if the snap bounces off his facemask before they touch him?

I laughed when Brissett basically tripped himself, fell down, and was touched by a lineman. The lineman then proceeded to get up and do his "sack dance" while the announcers said, "Well, that's probably the easiest sack he'll ever record." LOL

 

[Mulli]

I laughed when Brissett basically tripped himself, fell down, and was touched by a lineman. The lineman then proceeded to get up and do his "sack dance" while the announcers said, "Well, that's probably the easiest sack he'll ever record." LOL

That is an epidemic throughout the league. The safeties on the Bengals last week missed 9/10 chances to tackle but celebrated each tackle they managed to make for 3 minutes

 

[Dback Jon]

Does it count as getting to Kyler if the snap bounces off his facemask before they touch him?

You mean the premature snap by our dreadful center?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Does it count as getting to Kyler if the snap bounces off his facemask before they touch him?

That snap would have been just right for Brissett. Kyler's facemask equals what... center mass on Brissett?

 

[AZCB34]

We wouldn’t have had two QB fumbles returned for touchdowns and been out of the game in the first quarter

Absolute proof of this please

 

[Dback Jon]

Absolute proof of this please

Well, since Kyler didn't play, impossible to prove.

Best I can do is that Seattle game planned for an immobile, slow-release QB.

And the fact that Kyler had the Cardinals in position to beat Seattle earlier this year.

 

[AZCB34]

What are you talking about? I’ve seen much worse performances from Kyler Murray over the years. Lol

This. And let’s not forget where each guy was drafted.

 

[Mr X]

Those plays were on the O-line and play call-7 step drop/play action not on his throwing motion. The past few games I think we've done a bit too much play action. Seattle saw that tendency too. This coaching staff is outcoached every single game.

 

[AZ Native]

and all of those have happened but they don't result in 2 defensive TD's. We have seen some terrible INT's but in the 2 instances yesterday Kyler would have either tried to escape, or sat down.

Doesn't mean I want him playing again just means the OL was bad but JB HAS to get those 2 balls out faster as well. Gannon even said so in the interview must throw situations ball has to come out faster

C'mon Russ. You are blaming a guy for standing tall in the pocket with the defense in his face and trying to complete a pass. Both times he was hit, he was a fraction of a second before his arm was going forward. No excuses, it happened twice and both resulted in TDs. But both were more of a fluke than anything. So reward Kyler for not trying to complete a pass. He was not going to escape that rush; his only option was to go fetal again. Sheeeezzzz

 

[Russ Smith]

C'mon Russ. You are blaming a guy for standing tall in the pocket with the defense in his face and trying to complete a pass. Both times he was hit, he was a fraction of a second before his arm was going forward. No excuses, it happened twice and both resulted in TDs. But both were more of a fluke than anything. So reward Kyler for not trying to complete a pass. He was not going to escape that rush; his only option was to go fetal again. Sheeeezzzz

No I'm not, Gannon is. Gannon said it yesterday in must throw situations the protection has to be there and the ball has to come out faster. Neither happened.


ESPN doesn't seem to have fumble stats for passing so I am using AI so if wrong blame Google gemini. Kyler has about 1000 more pass attempts in his career than JB, 2900 to 1900 roughly. Kyler has 532 carries JB 264. So kyler has about 1250 more times with the ball. GEmini says Kyler has fumbled 53 times, and JB 38, ESPN does have fumble stats for rushes and Kyler has 37(!), JB has 13. So JB has 25 fumbles in 1900 pass attempts and Kyler has 16 fumbles in 2900 pass attempts if Gemini is correct. So if correctly JB is WAY more likely to fumble on pass attempts than kyler.In the same number of attempts he'd have about 37 fumbles based on his rate. I would suggest that's part of why he's never lasted as a starter he holds the ball so long.

It's been great having a guy willing to stand in there to deliver the ball, I'm just saying the 2 defensive TD's on Sunday were as much on JB as the OL, he didn't get the ball out fast enough.

 

[Cheesebeef]

No I'm not, Gannon is. Gannon said it yesterday in must throw situations the protection has to be there and the ball has to come out faster. Neither happened.


ESPN doesn't seem to have fumble stats for passing so I am using AI so if wrong blame Google gemini. Kyler has about 1000 more pass attempts in his career than JB, 2900 to 1900 roughly. Kyler has 532 carries JB 264. So kyler has about 1250 more times with the ball. GEmini says Kyler has fumbled 53 times, and JB 38, ESPN does have fumble stats for rushes and Kyler has 37(!), JB has 13. So JB has 25 fumbles in 1900 pass attempts and Kyler has 16 fumbles in 2900 pass attempts if Gemini is correct. So if correctly JB is WAY more likely to fumble on pass attempts than kyler.In the same number of attempts he'd have about 37 fumbles based on his rate. I would suggest that's part of why he's never lasted as a starter he holds the ball so long.

It's been great having a guy willing to stand in there to deliver the ball, I'm just saying the 2 defensive TD's on Sunday were as much on JB as the OL, he didn't get the ball out fast enough.

People are very strange. I’ve been a pretty consistent critic of Kyler since the second half of 2021, but it really shouldn’t be hard to acknowledge that those fumbles definitely have a lot of blame laid at Brisset’s feet. Two things can be true.

Kyler kept us in purgatory and Brissett is a career journeyman backup for a reason. Neither one is the guy to move forward with but it seems like so many people have lodged themselves into one camp or the other and admitting fault for either is fate worse than death.