How many times was he pressured and/or hit?
Kyler Murray Debacle Thread
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PFR says only 2 pressures but I'd guess it's not fully updated yet. But it won't be any more than most QBs.
All QB's get lots of pressure.
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netsnjkidd
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10000000000% That height thing is a such a deflection to the actual problem the will/mentality. Bryce Young stays in the pocket with no fear he will literally lower his shoulder to pick a 1st down if they need it. Kyler will settle for 4 and 2 while having 20lbs on bryce.
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JB was pressured a lot, but took some shots while throwing the ball
But thats football and all QBs have to deal with it
Chopper0080
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I mean...no. His issues are not "fixable" per se. He can't get taller. He probably can't get his arm strength back. He is not going to suddenly commit to taking hits in the pocket to deliver passes. I don't know that he can fix his panic mode. I think he is the communicator that he is.
Now, what can be improved or put around him? Kyler could have a better interior line which might help his happy feet. He could work on his pocket mechanics. I don't think he can play on time and in rhythm, but he might get better at it.
The biggest issue is that to improve at those things he would need to recognize that they are issues and work with someone to fix them. Something he hasn't done is his 7 year career so far. He would likely need to go to a good roster and therefore battle for a QB spot and play for 30 mil per season or less. I don't know that Kyler wants to do that. I look at the path Baker, Darnold, and Jones took and I am not sure Kyler is that guy. Those guys all had to acclimate to new environments and adapt to be able to succeed in a short period of time. Nothing was being built around them, and their was no organizational "investment" in them initially. Kyler's communication issues alone would make it tough for him.
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He was terrible when pressured as well.
Guess what teams do to Jacoby Brissett historically?
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sometimes QBs just get so conditioned to see interior pressure it ruins them
I think that is where Kyler is now.
watch 2019-2021 Murray --and while never taking hits and delivering like Carson Palmer -- he feet were so much calmer then, he would actually deliver the ball with people bearing down on him. That is gone.
i feel like the arm strength thing is a function of him bailing out on throws as the pocket collapses (or feels like its collapsing).
Sadly the only cure is to get somewhere else -- sit for at least a year or more --- and get a chance behind a more functional offensive line.
He was sacked twice
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Protection was ok, he got lit up early in the game when Carter didn't do his job on blitz pickup. There was a crazy play later in the game we were inside our own 10 yard line, they rushed THREE guys and still not only got pressure, Buckner literally blew up the play pushed the OL back into Brissett so he couldn't do anything. It was pathetic 3 rushers and we couldn't protect Brissett on the play.
Overall I felt like the OL was better because Hernandez, even post injury, is just that much better than Adams. But it also definitely helped that Brissett stands strong in the pocket
sewer covers are very heavy
All qb’s are subject to pressure. Some wilt and some stand in there and take a hit. It appears to me Brissett scans the field and recognizes where his receivers are.
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Someone put out a stat my son was reading to me as we drove back from indy. It said something like Kyler has 5 completions over 20 yards this season. Jacoby hit 6 different players for over 20 yards yesterday.
The detractors can say what they want. Brissett did a great job running this offense. He was throwing to a Wr group that has been described as “ weak”, but they looked pretty damn good yesterday.
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SO: if the Cards want to move off of Murray, a trade is probably the best bet.
in a trade -- the Cards probably have to pay the 2026 option bonus of $17mm, but then the acquiring team gets a QB with a 2026 salary of ~$23mm, which is low 20s in terms of rank. The 2027 salary number is also $22mm or so -- and then after that the guaranteed money is gone.
so -- a team that needs a qb and has lots of cap space can take a (relatively) low cost flyer on a QB that they can easily move on from should he not work out.
In that scenario-- the Cards pick up (based on my calcs) about $17mm in cap space in '26 and $45mm or so in '27.
in a trade -- the Cards probably have to pay the 2026 option bonus of $17mm, but then the acquiring team gets a QB with a 2026 salary of ~$23mm, which is low 20s in terms of rank. The 2027 salary number is also $22mm or so -- and then after that the guaranteed money is gone.
so -- a team that needs a qb and has lots of cap space can take a (relatively) low cost flyer on a QB that they can easily move on from should he not work out.
In that scenario-- the Cards pick up (based on my calcs) about $17mm in cap space in '26 and $45mm or so in '27.
