Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

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See, when you are on the losing end of things and your hate isn't universally accepted you go with hyperbole "Thinking Kyler played all world"...literally no one said that or even hinted at it. Kyler played fine, and like he said in his presser he missed some plays and the offense needs to be better as a whole, including him. But if you don't pile on, make ridiculous claims from "film" even though you have zero clue what the film actually shows that means you think he can do no wrong, right?
This is what they do every time.

Hyperbole.

-That pass was going to be a touchdown (from our own 10yrd line)
-K1 had a meh day and we almost lost because of him
-You guys think he played all world.

I don't think they can even enjoy watching the dude play because they dislike him so much. Never seen such disdain for a dude that is actually a very good human from all views but not the perfect QB.
 
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See, when you are on the losing end of things and your hate isn't universally accepted you go with hyperbole "Thinking Kyler played all world"...literally no one said that or even hinted at it. Kyler played fine, and like he said in his presser he missed some plays and the offense needs to be better as a whole, including him. But if you don't pile on, make ridiculous claims from "film" even though you have zero clue what the film actually shows that means you think he can do no wrong, right?
I agree with the bolded wholeheartedly. What we deal with constantly is the die-on-a-hill pear-clutching protestations that his negative plays are anything but. If the above was the prevailing opinion, and folks were all, "Yeah, no need to run OOB for a loss for no reason, and yeah, he left a lot out on the field," there would be no argument. Ah, but some cannot let it lie and defend every little error as if he were great. Therein lies the rub.
 

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I agree with the bolded wholeheartedly. What we deal with constantly is the die-on-a-hill pear-clutching protestations that his negative plays are anything but. If the above was the prevailing opinion, and folks were all, "Yeah, no need to run OOB for a loss for no reason, and yeah, he left a lot out on the field," there would be no argument. Ah, but some cannot let it lie and defend every little error as if he were great. Therein lies the rub.
I too wish he'd have better sideline awareness and throw it away more often. At least we agree on that!
 

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I too wish he'd have better sideline awareness and throw it away more often. At least we agree on that!
Does anyone disagree with that?

My main gripe with all of this is that people want us to be a prolific passing offense when it is so obvious the team has zero intention of being one.
 

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Does anyone disagree with that?

My main gripe with all of this is that people want us to be a prolific passing offense when it is so obvious the team has zero intention of being one.
I don't think so. The haters have to invent a straw man all the time.
 

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Does anyone disagree with that?

My main gripe with all of this is that people want us to be a prolific passing offense when it is so obvious the team has zero intention of being one.
Yes. Can you agree that Kyler plays a role in that. Or do you believe he could drop back and drop dimes 20 yards downfield over and over?
I’m anticipating your answer..”If he had the time”.
 

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Yes. Can you agree that Kyler plays a role in that. Or do you believe he could drop back and drop dimes 20 yards downfield over and over?
I’m anticipating your answer..”If he had the time”.
He was in a pass first offense his entire career until P Guy and his 2 Condom Offense.

There is a happy medium here but the current coaching staff and front office aren't interested in that.
 

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Yes. Can you agree that Kyler plays a role in that. Or do you believe he could drop back and drop dimes 20 yards downfield over and over?
I’m anticipating your answer..”If he had the time”.
If you watch the games it's not like the short passes are always checkdowns, most of the time it's first read stuff which means that was the play that was called. That's our offense. Now if we're asking why doesn't Kyler audible into more downfield stuff? I wish he would, but not sure he has that freedom or if those are even part of an audible package.
 

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He was in a pass first offense his entire career until P Guy and his 2 Condom Offense.
If your counting college, let’s not.
He had Kliff and many here thought he was the problem. Kliff goes the Washington and Daniels is blowing up the league. Soooo.. maybe it wasn’t Kliff?
Look, I see Kyler as an average, maybe a bit above average because of his running ability. But he is far from elite.
 

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If your counting college, let’s not.
He had Kliff and many here thought he was the problem. Kliff goes the Washington and Daniels is blowing up the league. Soooo.. maybe it wasn’t Kliff?
Look, I see Kyler as an average, maybe a bit above average because of his running ability. But he is far from elite.
Who frickin cares about college?

I am talking his time with K2. Being a good OC and HC aren't the same thing. K2 should have been an OC not a HC coming out of college. Again Keim and Bidwill shot themselves in the foot as usual hiring the dude.
 

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That literally makes no sense. I love how you guys try to push Kyler’s mobility as a reason for such a low pressure percentage. Yet, if he has to be moved off his spot and gets away due to mobility, wouldn’t that indicate pressure? Just because he wasn’t caught doesn’t mean there wasn’t pressure. The two don’t correlate. It’s pressure percentage not how many times you had to run away from it to avoid it. That would still be pressure raising the % not making its lower. By your logic, he’s moving before he needs to because of his mobility.
well, in all fairness..Kyler actually does run often before the pressure actually gets there...he gets kinda spooky like that sometimes.
 

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Who frickin cares about college?

I am talking his time with K2. Being a good OC and HC aren't the same thing. K2 should have been an OC not a HC coming out of college. Again Keim and Bidwill shot themselves in the foot as usual hiring the dude.
They shot themselves signing Kyler to an extension a year too soon.
 

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Oh another Boomer Take.

We are fans of K1 and not the Arizona Cardinals.

Too funny and typical by this bunch.
Thou does protest too much. I don't understand you young bucks and your "boomer" takes. Obviously I'm a boomer so all my takes are from boomer land. As I said time will tell if they stick around. I didn't single anyone out but you have made your stance very obvious.
 

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Thou does protest too much. I don't understand you young bucks and your "boomer" takes. Obviously I'm a boomer so all my takes are from boomer land. As I said time will tell if they stick around. I didn't single anyone out but you have made your stance very obvious.
Its just funny to see you guys trot out the same crap.

Im sorry that we didn't live in some midwestern dust bowl our entire lives while our city slowly lost the only thing we're proud of.

Im from Phoenix a thriving metropolis that the Arizona Cardinals moved to in 88.

Anything that happened prior to that I don't give a rats behind about. Also won't care about them if they move from my great state. Not a battered wife longing for yesteryear for abuse.

K1 is our best option to win right now and you guys can continue to lament that fact after a solid win.
 

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Its just funny to see you guys trot out the same crap.

Im sorry that we didn't live in some midwestern dust bowl our entire lives while our city slowly lost the only thing we're proud of.

Im from Phoenix a thriving metropolis that the Arizona Cardinals moved to in 88.

Anything that happened prior to that I don't give a rats behind about. Also won't care about them if they move from my great state. Not a battered wife longing for yesteryear for abuse.

K1 is our best option to win right now and you guys can continue to lament that fact after a solid win.
I aint from no midwestern dustbowl neither.
California farm town over here......
But I would hazard a guess...if you are an arizona cardinals fan......you would be a san diego cardinals fan too if they moved.
I grew up a Raiders fan...they werre the closest team when I was a kid... they moved to la la land... then they moved back...then they moved to Vegas,,,,
after all that location shifting one thing remained the same.
They were still the Raiders. They were still the first team I ever saw play live... they were the team my dad took me to watch. The Raiders could move to Pluto and they would still be my AFC team.
same with the Redbirds...except, you know,.....Mars...it being the Red Planet and all...perfect spot for the Cardinals...and I hear Cardinals are indigenous to the area
 

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Its just funny to see you guys trot out the same crap.

Im sorry that we didn't live in some midwestern dust bowl our entire lives while our city slowly lost the only thing we're proud of.

Im from Phoenix a thriving metropolis that the Arizona Cardinals moved to in 88.

Anything that happened prior to that I don't give a rats behind about. Also won't care about them if they move from my great state. Not a battered wife longing for yesteryear for abuse.

K1 is our best option to win right now and you guys can continue to lament that fact after a solid win.
I guess you don't know me. I was born in Phoenix lived there for almost 35 years, and lived in new York City for almost 9 years. So I'm not from some dust bowl In the Midwest either.
 

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Its just funny to see you guys trot out the same crap.

Im sorry that we didn't live in some midwestern dust bowl our entire lives while our city slowly lost the only thing we're proud of.

Im from Phoenix a thriving metropolis that the Arizona Cardinals moved to in 88.

Anything that happened prior to that I don't give a rats behind about. Also won't care about them if they move from my great state. Not a battered wife longing for yesteryear for abuse.

K1 is our best option to win right now and you guys can continue to lament that fact after a solid win.
Come one dude, no one is lamenting Kyler. Some are saying he played mid and want him to do better, others are saying he had a good game and want to see that continue, and some are saying he was the reason we won and want others to acknowledge it. In the end, everyone wants Kyler to be good and the Cardinals to win games.
 

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This reminds me of the Warner days. Many new "Cards" fans showed up claiming they're fans of the team but when he left so did they. I guess time will tell.
Come on dude, no reason to question fandom. That's weak sauce.

and in the Warner days the team was making the playoffs and winning games. We aren't there yet.
 

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Come on dude, no reason to question fandom. That's weak sauce.

and in the Warner days the team was making the playoffs and winning games. We aren't there yet.
I wasn't questioning anything. I just said it reminded me of those days. Not judging anyone. They have every right to be a fan of players or teams of their choosing.
 

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I aint from no midwestern dustbowl neither.
California farm town over here......
But I would hazard a guess...if you are an arizona cardinals fan......you would be a san diego cardinals fan too if they moved.
NO!

I wouldn't
 

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Come one dude, no one is lamenting Kyler. Some are saying he played mid and want him to do better, others are saying he had a good game and want to see that continue, and some are saying he was the reason we won and want others to acknowledge it. In the end, everyone wants Kyler to be good and the Cardinals to win games.
But he didn't play mid.

He got us out of some serious sticky situations even with a crappy run game. Had we actually executed on special teams (blocked kick & botched coverage) this game would have been in the bag with zero sweat.
 

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