Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[BirdGangThing]

He did not hit him in the numbers. Andrews adjusted to the ball and lost his feet. Look at the the two pictures again and how his feet were first tangled and then were he tried himself trying to adjust. It was a bad throw and in normal conditions, Andrew's probably comes up with it.

Try watching the whole sequence and tell me he hit Andrews in the numbers. If Kyler threw this ball, you'd 100% be criticizing Kyler.

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no way man - all good tho

 

[BirdGangThing]

Not sure why you posted a disingenuous photo of the ball up near his numbers after he had already tried to pull it in and started fumbling with it? And then stated that the ball was put right at his numbers because it wasn’t. The throw was good enough and he should’ve caught it, but it certainly wasn’t in the numbers. It was low more towards his waist and out in front of him. He grabs it and while trying to secure it is what your pic shows.

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i zoomed in on the picture he himself posted lol - so disingenuous that

 

[Shane]

i zoomed in on the picture he himself posted lol - so disingenuous that

It’s ok to admit you’re wrong and carry on

 

[PDXChris]

i zoomed in on the picture he himself posted lol - so disingenuous that

You mean the second picture? But you conveniently ignored the first. The second shows him staring to fall after he tripped himself due to the bad throw.

 

[BirdGangThing]

It’s ok to admit you’re wrong and carry on

the pic (that he posted) even shows the ball perfectly securable - and besides - in that scenario with nobody within a country mile - why keep the footing at all? why not concentrate on catching the ball and let physics/momemtum do it's thing

again - im saying they lost because of lamar - and that andrews should've caught that

 

[Shane]

the pic (that he posted) even shows the ball perfectly securable - and besides - in that scenario with nobody within a country mile - why keep the footing at all? why not concentrate on catching the ball and let physics/momemtum do it's thing

again - im saying they lost because of lamar - and that andrews should've caught that

Your literal statement I your first post was that he placed the ball in between his numbers when he didn’t and that’s just the fact… the picture you used is after he fumbled with it right before dropping it as he’s back peddling trying to make a catch… but yes, they did lose because of Lamar you’re right!

 

[BirdGangThing]

You mean the second picture? But you conveniently ignored the first. The second shows him staring to fall after he tripped himself due to the bad throw.

let's go over this again lol - this picture does not show andrews starting to fall - it shows the ball in a more than securable location and it shows his legs spread wide before trying to secure it - what happened next is what happens when your neice tries to pat her head and rub her belly at the same time

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look at your pic again - tell me you don't see none of that

 

[PDXChris]

let's go over this again lol - this picture does not show andrews starting to fall - it shows the ball in a more than securable location and it shows his legs spread wide before trying to secure it - what happened next is what happens when your neice tries to pay her head and rub her belly at the same time

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look at your pic again - tell me you don't see none of that

Again, that picture is of him falling to the ground after losing control. Neither of his feet are on the ground. I'm done with this argument, but I am saving this for the next time Kyler does this and you lead the charge to bash him! Thanks for the content!

 

[BirdGangThing]

Again, that picture is of him falling to the ground after losing control. Neither of his feet are on the ground. I'm done with this argument, but I am saving this for the next time Kyler does this and you lead the charge to bash him! Thanks for the content!

we've already seen what kyler would do throwing the ball to a tight end at the goal line to save the game thing

and we know mcbride would take the blame afterwards even tho the ball dented his helmet

 

[PDXChris]

Just so we're clear!

Lamar bad throw = Andrew's needs to be more limber cause it ain't Lamar's fault!

Kyler bad throw = Trade sucky Kyler for two 1st and if Monti cannot pull that off, he's sucky too!

Did I get that right?

Or we can just admit Lamar wasn't clutch in this game and Kyler also sucks!

 

[BirdGangThing]

should we even be talking about kyler and lamar in the same sentence?

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[Chopper0080]

Without his two turnovers that two point conversion wouldn’t be needed. He wet the bed just as much as Andrew‘s. Plenty of blame to go around, including on himself. And perfectly placed as an overstatement. The ball definitely could’ve had better positioning.

The problem in the AFC is that when you go against Allen or Mahomes or Burrow or if they go against Lamar, anything short of perfection can be misconstrued as "wetting the bed". They lost because Ravens players, including Lamar, made errors the Bills didn't. Lamar wasn't afraid of the moment. His fumble was trying to do too much. Allen almost made a mistake of pitching a ball while being tackled, but he didn't. When your opposition is that good, it's just less forgiving.

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

should we even be talking about kyler and lamar in the same sentence?

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Only if the sentence is something like:
-Lamar is way better than Kyler…
-Lamar consistently leads his team to the playoffs without great receiving options unlike Kyler…

Etc etc

 

[Russ Smith]

What is the ASFN record for most posts or pages for a thread?

probably about Jake Plummer.

Remember that guy who was constantly saying how bad Jake was, who was that guy?

 

[SoonerLou]

Multiple turnovers is never playing “well enough” literally never.

Fumble was egregious, but this one appears to be a case of the WR not going deep.

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[K1Day1]

LOL, K1Day1...the most objective source here.

Make NO mistake. My post history shows that when Murray has played bad, I have NO problem stating it or agreeing with it. From what I did see, Murray didn't play well at the end of the season ( Though I was to busy out enjoying the holiday season with family and friends ! ! YOU KNOW ! ! Living my life ).
I'm sure when the Cardinals get a new quarterback ( And, they will. All 32 teams will eventually get a new quarterback. Even the Patriots got rid of Brady ! !Father time is the only one undefeated. ) ( Also not saying he will even be with the Cardinals for much longer.. in today's NFL you don't see many players that spend more than 8 years with a team, or what amounts to a third contract. Those guys are the exceptions ) I'm sure I will change my screen name to reflect the new quarterback or another player on the Cards that I hope succeeds.
What I won't do is consider it my full time paid job to come and post bashing the fans that cheer for them ( Even if I do disagree ). There have been plenty of players the Cardinals have had that I have not been a fan of but, in the end ( It is what it is ).

 

[AZCB34]

It’s ok to admit you’re wrong and carry on

Admit you are wrong? At ASFN? Newbie

 

[AZCB34]

It’s ok to admit you’re wrong and carry on

Literally nobody has ever been wrong on this site…well except 602

 

[AZCB34]

probably about Jake Plummer.

Remember that guy who was constantly saying how bad Jake was, who was that guy?

Russ Smith I think?

 

[602 Native]

You mean the second picture? But you conveniently ignored the first. The second shows him staring to fall after he tripped himself due to the bad throw.

It’s what they do with everything here.

Slant, leave out context, all in an attempt to be right in their own minds.

 

[602 Native]

Only if the sentence is something like:
-Lamar is way better than Kyler…
-Lamar consistently leads his team to the playoffs without great receiving options unlike Kyler…

Etc etc

This glaze is hilarious.

Bateman and Flowers are a top WR duo in the league. Add in Andrew’s and Henry and they are elite.

Lamar is great but let’s not pretend he isn’t playing with a stacked team.

 

[kerouac9]

Bateman and Flowers are a top WR duo in the league.

Speaking of doubling down on false assertions…

This is absolutely deranged.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

probably about Jake Plummer.

Remember that guy who was constantly saying how bad Jake was, who was that guy?

The Kliff revisionist history was quite enough, I don't think I can handle a "Jake was actually better than Kyler" narrative.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

The Kliff revisionist history was quite enough, I don't think I can handle a "Jake was actually better than Kyler" narrative.

Jake actually won games that mattered. Kind of an important distinction.

 

[PDXChris]

Jake actually won games that mattered. Kind of an important distinction.

Plummer made the playoffs once in 6 seasons in AZ, same as Kyler.

Plummer won 30 of 82 games started in 6 years. Of the 30 wins, 10 are fourth Quarter comebacks

Kyler won 36 of 82 games started in 6 years. Of the 36 wins, 11 are fourth Quarter comebacks.


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