Kyler is a fraud.

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Kyler has gotten by on sheer athleticism against inferior talent. In high school and college he would face teams that had 2 or 3 great players. In the NFL the worst player on the field is probably 3 times better than he use to play against.

So here’s the problem. He still believes he can do the same things here as he did in college. He still believes he can complete every pass regardless if it’s a 2% chance of completion. He can’t.Nobody can.

Until he learns an 8 yard completion is better than an almost spectacular attempted incompletion we will get exactly what we are getting from him.

Until he can find the open second read Wr We will see mediocrity in crunch time.

Until Kingsbury himself understand this and demands this from Murray we will fail. Until Kingsbury understands match ups I.e. empty backfield and plays that call for our o-line to hold for 5-6 seconds we will see 10 yard loss sacks. Especially against a team that is beating your o-linemen like a drum.

This is a two prong problem.
 
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I gave you that list to show you where Murray ranked as a passer this year. 8th in NFL, ahead of guys like Josh Allen, Mahomes and Herbert, and probably playing against better defenses overall than guys like Prescott and Burrow.

But you're typing like K1 completed less than 50% of his passes this year. If you don't believe that Dhop made a significant difference fine, we'll just agree to disagree.
Depending on your stats you use, he is far from 8th...

Take the raw data and figure the numbers for the first 9 games, then do it for the last 8 games.
I guarantee he doesn't even get as high as 15-18 in the last 8, probably in the mid-late 20s.
Any good overall position he has is just a stellar start cushioning a horrible end.
Other teams have figured him out, he got hurt and is now totally gun-shy and he
appears to have given up.

And this guy is going to lead the Cardinals to victory ?
This team is at least 5 years from success.
They first have to dump Keim and Kingsbury (which won't happen until they fail, and they will, next year.)
Then they need to get rid of Murray (which won't happen until he fails, and he will, next year.)
Then they have 4 years to find a GM and decent coach.
And those guys will have to find a QB.

It will actually take much longer because I predict we will be picking 1st in the draft BEFORE the 5 years are up.
And if they pick the wrong QB, repeat above for the next 5 years after that.

Raiders looking more lovely all the time.
 

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Depending on your stats you use, he is far from 8th...

Take the raw data and figure the numbers for the first 9 games, then do it for the last 8 games.
I guarantee he doesn't even get as high as 15-18 in the last 8, probably in the mid-late 20s.
Any good overall position he has is just a stellar start cushioning a horrible end.
Other teams have figured him out, he got hurt and is now totally gun-shy and he
appears to have given up.

And this guy is going to lead the Cardinals to victory ?
This team is at least 5 years from success.
They first have to dump Keim and Kingsbury (which won't happen until they fail, and they will, next year.)
Then they need to get rid of Murray (which won't happen until he fails, and he will, next year.)
Then they have 4 years to find a GM and decent coach.
And those guys will have to find a QB.

It will actually take much longer because I predict we will be picking 1st in the draft BEFORE the 5 years are up.
And if they pick the wrong QB, repeat above for the next 5 years after that.

Raiders looking more lovely all the time.

Wow, Stout compare to you is the president of the kool-aider
 

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Depending on your stats you use, he is far from 8th...

Take the raw data and figure the numbers for the first 9 games, then do it for the last 8 games.
I guarantee he doesn't even get as high as 15-18 in the last 8, probably in the mid-late 20s.
Any good overall position he has is just a stellar start cushioning a horrible end.
Other teams have figured him out, he got hurt and is now totally gun-shy and he
appears to have given up.

And this guy is going to lead the Cardinals to victory ?
This team is at least 5 years from success.
They first have to dump Keim and Kingsbury (which won't happen until they fail, and they will, next year.)
Then they need to get rid of Murray (which won't happen until he fails, and he will, next year.)
Then they have 4 years to find a GM and decent coach.
And those guys will have to find a QB.

It will actually take much longer because I predict we will be picking 1st in the draft BEFORE the 5 years are up.
And if they pick the wrong QB, repeat above for the next 5 years after that.

Raiders looking more lovely all the time.
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Keim:

"and one more thing. Don't drop or shake your head in disappointment. It pisses off the mindreaders out there."
Have you never been in a room with someone who is supposed to be a "leader" and looked at their body language or facial expressions, only to see someone who looks either defeated or like they think everyone around them is incompetent? It's deflating.

For all of the lack of success Matthew Stafford has had in the playoffs and with people around him, you can see him putting his body on the line, rarely pouting, always strapping up his helmet and getting back out there. The same goes for most of the other successful QBs in the league.

Pretending like body language doesn't matter to a roster of 53+ people is... odd.
 

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Have you never been in a room with someone who is supposed to be a "leader" and looked at their body language or facial expressions, only to see someone who looks either defeated or like they think everyone around them is incompetent? It's deflating.

For all of the lack of success Matthew Stafford has had in the playoffs and with people around him, you can see him putting his body on the line, rarely pouting, always strapping up his helmet and getting back out there. The same goes for most of the other successful QBs in the league.

Pretending like body language doesn't matter to a roster of 53+ people is... odd.

I don't 'pretend' to know how the team reacts to KM, and like you have spent not a nanosecond in the Cards dressing 'room'. As a lurker on this board, I recall a Walter Mitchell who had mastered body language and mindreading, are you taking up the mantel?
 

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I don't 'pretend' to know how the team reacts to KM, and like you have spent not a nanosecond in the Cards dressing 'room'. As a lurker on this board, I recall a Walter Mitchell who had mastered body language and mindreading, are you taking up the mantel?
Mitch would make up fanciful scenarios and present them as fact. We're simply making inferences from stuff we can plainly see... like a QB who didn't even bother to get up and go check on a teammate that both benches had cleared for. Or the sad sack shuffle we saw the majority of the end of the season.

But, I forgot. You're the guy who thinks we can't have the slightest negative opinion unless we're on the team itself.
 

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I don't 'pretend' to know how the team reacts to KM, and like you have spent not a nanosecond in the Cards dressing 'room'. As a lurker on this board, I recall a Walter Mitchell who had mastered body language and mindreading, are you taking up the mantel?
I do think this is a bit overblown. Watch the mic'ed up video of Murray and what he says looks very different than his demeanor.
 

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Mitch would make up fanciful scenarios and present them as fact. We're simply making inferences from stuff we can plainly see... like a QB who didn't even bother to get up and go check on a teammate that both benches had cleared for. Or the sad sack shuffle we saw the majority of the end of the season.

But, I forgot. You're the guy who thinks we can't have the slightest negative opinion unless we're on the team itself.
But that's just it...you are making inferences.

Nonverbal isn't the only form of communication. And the way TV works they zoom in on Murray...the team isn't standing around watching Murray like we are.

I think it's a thing, but not on the level the chicken littles on this board make it out to be. We aren't hearing from anonymous players that they don't believe in Murray or none of that.
 

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Mitch would make up fanciful scenarios and present them as fact. We're simply making inferences from stuff we can plainly see... like a QB who didn't even bother to get up and go check on a teammate that both benches had cleared for. Or the sad sack shuffle we saw the majority of the end of the season.

But, I forgot. You're the guy who thinks we can't have the slightest negative opinion unless we're on the team itself.

Opinions are like (fill in the blank) everyone has one, but I prefer informed ones.
 

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OK, there’s no denying this version of Murray can’t win. The question is can he be salvaged? Clearly not by Kingsbury. It starts with assessing where Murray’s head is. If he believes he’s a star, then cut the losses and trade him. If he thinks he needs to change, I believe his innate running ability, his arm strength and his overall athleticism are rare. I don’t quit if there’s a path to success. You can’t win without a QB, so you don’t give up easily.
 
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