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I’m sorry and I may be in the minority here but I would trade Kyler for Watson ASAP if it’s an option.

My reasoning is Watson is all in and has a great (assuming here) relationship with Hopkins. Kyler IMO is not fully invested , again IMO. It may be his size or whatever but he just doesn’t seem to have that “win at all costs “ attitude you want the leader of your team to have .
Why it works, Kyler, being a local boy may thrive in Houston and that’s ok. He’s from there and may welcome the opportunity. Watson, would be a better fit in this offense and along with the aforementioned relationship with Watson would thrive . He also has a level of toughness that Kyler lacks.
Kyler is on a rookie deal
Watson is in year 2 of a $156 mm contract
Tell me how this works?
 

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Kyler is on a rookie deal
Watson is in year 2 of a $156 mm contract
Tell me how this works?
Watson would be around 35 mil on average for his deal. He is a better QB. Kyler Murray has potential but Watson has made the playoffs twice and won a playoff game. Both play for dysfunctional franchises.

Difference between Kyler and Watson cap hit next year is 1 mil. After that his contract hits but in that time we will be exploring Kyler's extension.
 

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Not crazier than the Tua for Watson rumor. Texans are screwed on this one.

The Texans should take that one. Tua two #1s and a #2? On a team that needs 2-3 years to rebuild its roster at the very least...
 

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Lol this won't age well

But honestly watson would be dope and he is a proven winner and really likes hop

But no way on earth that happens
 

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Keim cant even manage a rookie qb salary. You know how bad this team would regress with a 40 mill qb salary???

The only think that Watson is noticeable better than Kyler is throwing outside of the pocket. But its a push every where else and Kyler has a better overall arm talent.

Watson is good. Squeak is good... seems like a bunch of irrelevant jockeying

Let's get out of the way that I am a massive Kyler lover.....

Watson is better at every facet of the game right now except for running.
Watson is a top 5 QB. Kyler is a top 12 QB maybe 15.
Watson is a better passer, more efficient passer, with a more skilled pocket presence.

Watson is battle tested...... Kyler is not.


As far as leadership..... the jury is out because so much is unknown, but I do know that Watson's sideline presence is leaps and bounds ahead of Kyler.

As far as the cap goes...... Losing Pat P and restructuring Chandler gets us close. Kylers Cap Hit is 9.7mm in 21. Watson's is only 16mm in 21. Then it blows up to 40mm in 22, and 42mm in 23. Then it goes down to 37mm then 32mm.

By then (2024) we will be on the hook for atleast 44mm per year for Kyler.

Honestly guys....... Business wise, it makes sense. Football wise, it makes sense. And from the reporting...... WE LOVED Watson coming out of college.

I don't think it happens...... But it does feel worthy of consideration.
 

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More math:

Watson:
2021: 16mm
2022: 40mm
2023: 42mm
2024: 37mm
2025: 32mm


Kyler:
2021: 9.7mm
2022: 11.3mm
2023: 17mm <-- 5th yr option (assumed it will be picked up)
2024: 44mm <-- Best Guess
2025: 44mm <-- Best Guess

Total Watson: 167mm
Total Kyler: 126mm

This is the main question to me: Is Deshaun Watson worth roughly 40mm more over the next 5 years than Kyler?
 

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This is the main question to me: Is Deshaun Watson worth roughly 40mm more over the next 5 years than Kyler?

It is not only the 40M, but the price tag also needs to include the draft picks it would take.
 

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Let's get out of the way that I am a massive Kyler lover.....

Watson is better at every facet of the game right now except for running.
Watson is a top 5 QB. Kyler is a top 12 QB maybe 15.
Watson is a better passer, more efficient passer, with a more skilled pocket presence.

Watson is battle tested...... Kyler is not.


As far as leadership..... the jury is out because so much is unknown, but I do know that Watson's sideline presence is leaps and bounds ahead of Kyler.

As far as the cap goes...... Losing Pat P and restructuring Chandler gets us close. Kylers Cap Hit is 9.7mm in 21. Watson's is only 16mm in 21. Then it blows up to 40mm in 22, and 42mm in 23. Then it goes down to 37mm then 32mm.

By then (2024) we will be on the hook for atleast 44mm per year for Kyler.

Honestly guys....... Business wise, it makes sense. Football wise, it makes sense. And from the reporting...... WE LOVED Watson coming out of college.

I don't think it happens...... But it does feel worthy of consideration.
Let me clarify my position then, both situations are good and what Kyler currently is lacking is balanced by his youth with me feeling he will eventually meet the current expectations of Watson... we do not need a QB :)
 

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More math:

Watson:
2021: 16mm
2022: 40mm
2023: 42mm
2024: 37mm
2025: 32mm


Kyler:
2021: 9.7mm
2022: 11.3mm
2023: 17mm <-- 5th yr option (assumed it will be picked up)
2024: 44mm <-- Best Guess
2025: 44mm <-- Best Guess

Total Watson: 167mm
Total Kyler: 126mm

This is the main question to me: Is Deshaun Watson worth roughly 40mm more over the next 5 years than Kyler?
You aren't deducting the bonus that is spread across Watson's contract that would not follow him to AZ. Deduct 5.4 mil every year from 2021 through 2024 as that is what has been paid and is just spread out for cap purposes.
 

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The bottom line IMO is you can't answer the question is it a good trade without knowing what the trade is.

From what's out there Houston would be looking for multiple high picks, now most teams don't have a 23 year old Kyler to include in the deal so maybe they would ask less of us, but we don't know yet.
 
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More math:

Watson:
2021: 16mm
2022: 40mm
2023: 42mm
2024: 37mm
2025: 32mm


Kyler:
2021: 9.7mm
2022: 11.3mm
2023: 17mm <-- 5th yr option (assumed it will be picked up)
2024: 44mm <-- Best Guess
2025: 44mm <-- Best Guess

Total Watson: 167mm
Total Kyler: 126mm

This is the main question to me: Is Deshaun Watson worth roughly 40mm more over the next 5 years than Kyler?
He aint getting $44 mm in 24 and 25
Are you kidding me????
 

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He aint getting $44 mm in 24 and 25
Are you kidding me????
If Watson got 42.... Why would you imagine it being so implausible?

Would he not get 35 per right now? Is he not getting better anytime soon?

Thats 3 years from now.

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It is not only the 40M, but the price tag also needs to include the draft picks it would take.
And I would say.... Why would we give them picks? Wouldn't the cap position be good enough?

If not.... Why would we play ball?

Kyler is 23. Watson is 25.

2 6ears and 3 more years of rookie contract. Hell.... With Texas involved.... They may owe US picks! Haha

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And I would say.... Why would we give them picks? Wouldn't the cap position be good enough?

If not.... Why would we play ball?

Kyler is 23. Watson is 25.

2 6ears and 3 more years of rookie contract. Hell.... With Texas involved.... They may owe US picks! Haha

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Because Watson is worth more to teams than Kyler is. There is a reason the rumor is that Miami would give up two 1s and a 2, AND Tua for Watson.

The cap space isn't anywhere near worth that.

When is the last time a true franchise QB was traded in their prime? There hasn't been one in at least 10 years I would think. (No Jay Cutler doesn't count)
 

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So the interesting rumor here is that apparently the Texans are in fact trying to hire Bienemy, who is thought to be the guy Watson wants, and it sounds like he's going to turn them down because he wants no part of that organization.

If true it puts Houston in a horrible spot if they can't hire the guy he wants, it increases the odds he demands a trade, and they lose some of the leverage.

FYI apparently there's a very clear reason why Miami is so interested, they had lots of players telling them last year to bench Tua and go with Fitzmagic because Tua was holding the team back. Except when they played us
 
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