Keim on signing players with injuries

[az jam]

The bottom line is that the majority of players in the NFL have suffered injuries and have missed playing time especially offensive and defensive linemen.

Few NFL players are injury free. Players are bigger and faster than ever. Football is a brutal sport and more injuries are occurring every year. Check the injury reserve list, it's larger than ever. IMO criticizing Keim for signing players that have had injuries is foolish as they all have especially the free agents. Players like Fitz and Patrick Peterson are really exceptions. Sadly that is not going to change.

 

[Stout]

Yeah, no, I'm going to vehemently disagree. He hasn't just signed regular players that have had regular injuries on the offensive line. He's signed/traded for OL players who have serious, continuous injury problems. See Gilbert. It really hurt us last year, and this year, he hasn't learned his lesson.

 

[Dougmo]

I disagree too. Our line has been way below average as far as health goes, IR, etc. I'd look at our training program and our player evaluation. Durability needs to be much higher on Keims appraisals
He keeps signing the same kind of injury-prone OL guys, not just guys that have been injured and it keeps biting us. You'd think by law of averages we'd have hit on some of these guys by now.
On the OL, he keeps swinging for the fences and missing.

Oddly, he seems to be the opposite on our homegrown talent. John Brown and Golden were both oft-injured while here but also showed quite a bit when healthy. To see both of those guys walk while we bring in the limping dead is frustrating.

 

[splitsecond]

Go ahead and name the injury free lineman who were available that would have been an upgrade for us

 

[Krangodnzr]

It's been said a number of times, but it's incredibly rare that teams let uninjured, good players go.

Jawuan James sucked for years and had one decent season. Do you want to play $13 million for that?

 

[Veer]

Unfortunately the best guys available at a reasonable price are always injury-prone. Of course you can go all-in on Mosley and Trent Brown, who have been dependable in their careers. But you have to overpay big-time to have a chance at those guys. And who guarantees that they stay healthy, since both are around 30 years already.

You can sign players who are well below average but dependable in FA. Or you can sign above average players who have some sort of medical red flags. If it works out, you look like genius. If not, the cost isn't killing your roster long-term like it would if Mosley or Trent Brown flame out.

 

[Sweet D]

Kevin White vs Golden Tate. End of argument. Plenty of healthy players to sign. Kim likes to try to steal players coming off of injury. Blue-light specials are lit because no one else wants the product.

 

[az jam]

My point basically is that pro football is a brutal sport and few players are injury free. I've been a fantasy football player for over 20 years and I'm always on the waiver wire to get a replacement for one of my QBs, RBs or WRs that are injured. It's just the nature of the game.

 

[Ohcrap75]

Previous injuries are cooked into their price tag. Another reason to build through the draft instead of FA. Younger and cheaper. But it's really all about luck with most of these injuries. Depth is so key, especially in the trenches and at RB.

 

[BW52]

I don`t think SK has overpaid for any of his FA signings this offseason.Sure some have some risk but overall he has been pretty smart about not overpaying for anyone.With 10 draft picks left there is potential for youngblood in several spots.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Kevin White vs Golden Tate. End of argument. Plenty of healthy players to sign. Kim likes to try to steal players coming off of injury. Blue-light specials are lit because no one else wants the product.

Tate got more money than I would be willing to spend. Good chance he declines very soon.

 

[kerouac9]

This take is extraordinarily bad. Yes, injuries happen in the NFL, but certain positions and injuries tend to be chronic and debilitating: soft tissue injuries for wideouts tend to recur, back injuries for offensive linemen tend to be crippling.

If a guy is injured a few years running, and doesn't find his way back from the injury or finds a way to play through it, you can't depend on that player in the future.

 

[overseascardfan]

If ARZ addresses the OL early in anticipation of guys like Humphries, Pugh & Gilbert missing time then fine but that $9.5M they are paying Humphries could be put to better use if they could get a LT early in the draft who would be cheaper and possibly healthier alternative. If ARZ can find a way to get either Dillard or Taylor then the LT spot could be solved long term.

 

[oaken1]

If ARZ addresses the OL early in anticipation of guys like Humphries, Pugh & Gilbert missing time then fine but that $9.5M they are paying Humphries could be put to better use if they could get a LT early in the draft who would be cheaper and possibly healthier alternative. If ARZ can find a way to get either Dillard or Taylor then the LT spot could be solved long term.

this draft does not have an LT better than Hump, thats the problem. The kid is a decent player when healthy. but we may get a later round guy who can develop into a solid LT....they may still be counting on cunningham for that as well.

 

[unseenaz]

Yeah, no, I'm going to vehemently disagree. He hasn't just signed regular players that have had regular injuries on the offensive line. He's signed/traded for OL players who have serious, continuous injury problems. See Gilbert. It really hurt us last year, and this year, he hasn't learned his lesson.

gilbert was hurt last year, missed time the previous season for steroids suspension. could have used a better example

 

[DVontel]

this draft does not have an LT better than Hump, thats the problem. The kid is a decent player when healthy. but we may get a later round guy who can develop into a solid LT....they may still be counting on cunningham for that as well.

Gotta disagree with you there chief.

 

[oaken1]

Gotta disagree with you there chief.

which one???
can we draft him without using our first round pick on him?

 

[DVontel]

which one???
can we draft him without using our first round pick on him?

Both Jonah Williams & Jawaan Taylor are better.


& nah we can’t for either.

 

[TheCardFan]

Both Jonah Williams & Jawaan Taylor are better.


& nah we can’t for either.

Yodny Cajuste might be as effective as DJ in this offense (same offense in college), with more upside, and for a much cheaper cost. Bonus - doesn't have the same injury history as DJ.

Not sure if he is a #33 pick or if he can be had in round 3.

 

[outcent13]

So we are assuming that the "injury free " players that are being discussed had interest in coming here? Keim didnt reach out to some of these players? We cant assume either of those things.

Honestly, I dont love or hate any of the signings so far, but as I have said before you cant fault the man for getting after it. It would have been easy for him to go out and overspend on guys to save his job moving forward. I dont think any of the signings will hamstring the team moving forward.

 

[overseascardfan]

which one???
can we draft him without using our first round pick on him?

Both Jonah Williams & Jawaan Taylor are better.


& nah we can’t for either.

Ugh, don't forget Dillard. Trading back into first round would be the way to get a LT. Another way would be if ARZ traded #1 to NY for #6 & #15, they could get Taylor (maybe not Dillard as he is probably to end up in Top 10).

 

[ARZCardinals]

If the Cards take Murray and Bosa goes to SF....and he matches up with Humphries....LOOK OUT
Looks like Keim gets his scouting report from the league surgery reports.

 

[DVontel]

Ugh, don't forget Dillard. Trading back into first round would be the way to get a LT. Another way would be if ARZ traded #1 to NY for #6 & #15, they could get Taylor (maybe not Dillard as he is probably to end up in Top 10).

Not supersold on Dillard like that.

 

[Chopper0080]

Not supersold on Dillard like that.

I think Dillard has the physical ability to be a Tyron Smith, but I'm not sold that he has the mental makeup to be. I don't know that he has the desire to increase his strength to the level he will need to in order to be in the league. He is going to need it if he is going to stick in the league because the NFL eats up guys who aren't strong. See Matt Kalil.

 

[overseascardfan]

Not supersold on Dillard like that.

Fair enough. I think he has some of the best feet ever for a LT coming out of college. His supposed lack of strength was a concern but 24 reps at Combine eased some of that concern for me. I just look at the fact that the guy comes from an offense that will be similar to what KK is supposedly going to run and isn't a one year wonder at WSU, he was pretty good last year to where some scouts felt he could have gone in second round last year if he declared, obviously he got better and his stock has shot up after the Combine. I actually have more concerns over Taylor & Williams than Dillard at this point but I think any of these 3 are better than a fragile DJ Humphries coming off another stint on IR. Hell, I could even be good with Cajuste in Round 2 and developing him to replace Humphries when he inevitably goes down next year.