Jonathan Gannon, Monti Ossenfort expected to stay with Cardinals will get to pick new QB

[QuebecCard]

So they should. Yes they took the job knowing they were saddled with Kyler and did their best to turn him around, but ultimately that was impossible and they shouldn't pay the price for it.

They should have made the playoffs last year had Kyler not stunk post November (as usual) and would have made it this year if we had a better QB in that 5 game stretch of losing by single scores.

The worst fourth-quarter defence in the league, but, hey, let's blame Kyler. And let's blame him for the MHJ, Jones and Demercado drops and brain farts. Let's not forget our OC's genius call, running on 3rd and 8 with no passing option. Porous O-line that also couldn't generate an offsetting run game - Yup! That's on Kyler.

And, let's take note of the fact that a run-to-pass offence, which was failing even before our RBs went down like ten pins, has now become a pass-to-run approach, and Kyler hasn't been allowed to helm that.

Lest we forget, let's ignore the worst 4th-quarter defence in the League.

You are one of the haters. I know where you stand—no need to reply.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

You are one of the haters. I know where you stand—no need to reply.

What a ridiculous comment.

 

[Dback Jon]

What a ridiculous comment.

No, BritCard has been a completely irrational Kyler hater for several years, continually blaming Kyler for issues that had nothing to do with the QB position.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

No, BritCard has been a completely irrational Kyler hater for several years, continually blaming Kyler for issues that had nothing to do with the QB position.

We also have completely irrational Kyler stans that discount anything Kyler does wrong as if he is blameless. The ridiculous part is telling someone not to reply. This is a message board with back-and-forth discussions. You might not like what someone says about something, but you do not try to quiet them. If you don't want to see their comments - use the ignore feature or simply ignore their comments. It isn't rocket science.

 

[Proximo]

Per ESPN's Jeremy Fowler:

What we're hearing after the NFL trade deadline: Intel on the Jets, Cowboys, WRs on new teams

What's the fallout from the Jets' blockbuster trades? What about other moves that did or did not happen around the NFL? We have the latest.

www.espn.com

Kind of a long article with other stuff from around the league as well.

"the growing sense around the league is that, even if they miss the playoffs and get to the end of the season without Murray proving he can be their QB of the future, the Cardinals are likely to give Gannon and GM Monti Ossenfort a chance to stick around and pick their own QB."

Well, I think that is probably the right move.

I think it has been demonstrated pretty clearly that Kyler is a bigger part of our problem than the coaching staff - that said I still don't really like Petzing's play calling.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

Well, I think that is probably the right move.

I think it has been demonstrated pretty clearly that Kyler is a bigger part of our problem than the coaching staff - that said I still don't really like Petzing's play calling.

Exactly. I think Petzing calls plays differently for Jacoby for one reason, he knows he can see over the middle, will stand in the pocket & take a hit, Kyler can't & won't. I'm not a Kyler hater, however, after 7 years, his limitations are what they are & it's time to move on, no way we get to another level with his limitations.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

Exactly. I think Petzing calls plays differently for Jacoby for one reason, he knows he can see over the middle, will stand in the pocket & take a hit, Kyler can't & won't. I'm not a Kyler hater, after 7 years, his limitatations are what they are & it's time to move on, no way we get to another level with his limitatations.

ding ding ding ding

 

[QuebecCard]

We also have completely irrational Kyler stans that discount anything Kyler does wrong as if he is blameless. The ridiculous part is telling someone not to reply. This is a message board with back-and-forth discussions. You might not like what someone says about something, but you do not try to quiet them. If you don't want to see their comments - use the ignore feature or simply ignore their comments. It isn't rocket science.

I didn't tell him he couldn't reply. But rather than he could save himself the effort, given that we all know how he feels.

Anyway, we can all look forward to five or six months of character assassination on this board while the people who actually have decision-making power work things out—old hat stuff from this fraternity—arrogant, pouty, afraid, etc., etc.

However, some team should give us a high draft pick for the player we are trashing.

P.S. I like BritCard, but feel he's gone a bit overboard on this theme.

 

[BritCard]

Well, we did have a better in your eyes QB for two of those losses

Kyler didn’t force Demarcado to drop the ball a quarter second before scoring

Kyler didn’t force Gannon and Rallis to turtle up on Defense in the 4th quarter in multiple games

Kyler didn’t force Petzing to call a more open offense
In the first 3/4 and then turtle up in the fourth quarter game after game

Kyler did not force Monti to neglect the offensive line

Yeah he did. Having a QB you don't trust to deliver when required means coaches make decisions based on that.

 

[BritCard]

The worst fourth-quarter defence in the league, but, hey, let's blame Kyler. And let's blame him for the MHJ, Jones and Demercado drops and brain farts. Let's not forget our OC's genius call, running on 3rd and 8 with no passing option. Porous O-line that also couldn't generate an offsetting run game - Yup! That's on Kyler.

And, let's take note of the fact that a run-to-pass offence, which was failing even before our RBs went down like ten pins, has now become a pass-to-run approach, and Kyler hasn't been allowed to helm that.

You are one of the haters. I know where you stand—no need to reply.

Weird how all those things have stopped now...

 

[Dback Jon]

Yeah he did. Having a QB you don't trust to deliver when required means coaches make decisions based on that.

So that made Demarcado drop the ball?

That made the defense turtle up (which it almost did against Dallas as well, finally holding onto a Turnover for once to stop a score that would have caused pucker time).


Irrational behavior on your part

 

[BritCard]

No, BritCard has been a completely irrational Kyler hater for several years, continually blaming Kyler for issues that had nothing to do with the QB position.

Everything has something to do with the quarterback position.

Also, I shouldn't need to point this out, but I was right.

 

[Dback Jon]

Weird how all those things have stopped now...

Except it hasn't. Still went away from MHJ in the second half, still was outscored by the opposing team in the 4th. JB was still putrid in the 4th.

 

[Dback Jon]

Everything has something to do with the quarterback position.

Also, I shouldn't need to point this out, but I was right.

Yes, you are irrational. And Delusional.

 

[BritCard]

So that made Demarcado drop the ball?

That made the defense turtle up (which it almost did against Dallas as well, finally holding onto a Turnover for once to stop a score that would have caused pucker time).


Irrational behavior on your part

Every team has individual errors and they are not on Kyler, but then nobody has said they are.

Nobody has blamed him for the Titans, and it's disingenuous to keep bringing it up like anyone has. Although let's not forget that Kyler was bad in that game.

Yes, having a QB you don't trust changes how coaches will call the defense late in games.

 

[BritCard]

Except it hasn't. Still went away from MHJ in the second half, still was outscored by the opposing team in the 4th. JB was still putrid in the 4th.

I'm irrational? No drops, no "miscommunications", no silly grounding penalties, 40% more passing yards a game, all receivers up.

Have you considered that Dallas changed their plan for Marv at the half?

 

[Dback Jon]

I'm irrational? No drops, no "miscommunications", no silly grounding penalties, 40% more passing yards a game, all receivers up.

Have you considered that Dallas changed their plan for Marv at the half?

Defense was on Kyler?

Cardinals were outscored 14-3 by Green Bay in the 4th. Is that Jacoby's fault? According to you, that is all on the QB.

And wait, Indy outscored the Cardinals 14-3 in the 4th. Damn that Jacoby.

 

[SunsTzu]

And a smart GM/Coach should have know that after watching 1.5 years of Kyler and cut bait this past offseason, when they had the chance and ability to go out and get their own guy.

They shouldn’t get 2-3 more extra years because they punted on their first season, saw their second season derailed by Kyler and then decided… hey… let’s let him derail the next season too!

And this ain’t hindsight… a lot of us (including you I think) were begging for the Cards to finally move on from Kyler after last season usually second half of the season debacle. Not doing so when they could have WITH options in both FA and the draft available should be more dirt on the Monti/Gannon grave, not reason for resurrection. Giving them more years for lacking easy foresight that destroyed this season is just rewarding failure.

Following the Bears blueprint. Hire coach and saddle him with a disappointing 1st round QB, QB still sucks and coach gets to pick "his guy" with a 1st round QB, team still sucks...and the cycle continues.

 

[Harry]

This is a wild thing to say after one game TBH.

I’ve said it often before this game. Nolen was exactly what I expected: best Cardinal DT since Swann.

 

[Harry]

Both sides are premature.

I don’t hesitate to predict the future based on my scouting.

 

[Harry]

Exactly. I think Petzing calls plays differently for Jacoby for one reason, he knows he can see over the middle, will stand in the pocket & take a hit, Kyler can't & won't. I'm not a Kyler hater, however, after 7 years, his limitations are what they are & it's time to move on, no way we get to another level with his limitations.

The main difference in knowing how to use a pocket, even a shaky one.

 

[Mainstreet]

Exactly. I think Petzing calls plays differently for Jacoby for one reason, he knows he can see over the middle, will stand in the pocket & take a hit, Kyler can't & won't. I'm not a Kyler hater, however, after 7 years, his limitations are what they are & it's time to move on, no way we get to another level with his limitations.

Feel a lot the same. I'd like to see Gannon move forward with Brissett and potential quarterbacks of the future. We have seen enough of Murray to know it doesn't work here.

The offensive line definitely needs to be fixed. I worry about the hits Jacoby is taking and how long he can take the punishment.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

The main difference in knowing how to use a pocket, even a shaky one.

Plus not being scared to use it. His height will always be a factor & limit him to only be able to throw from certain areas, deep in shotgun & on bootlegs, we need a QB that is tall enough to throw it from anywhere.

 

[HerefortheCards]

I’ve rooted pretty hard for Kyler for 7 years and this feels like the end.

 

[slanidrac16]

Well, we did have a better in your eyes QB for two of those losses

Kyler didn’t force Demarcado to drop the ball a quarter second before scoring

Kyler didn’t force Gannon and Rallis to turtle up on Defense in the 4th quarter in multiple games

Kyler didn’t force Petzing to call a more open offense
In the first 3/4 and then turtle up in the fourth quarter game after game

Kyler did not force Monti to neglect the offensive line

I guess that begs the question…Whst DID Kyler do???